CCS Pacific / Bad PR

[cstem]

I am not going to fuel the fire of the original debate here with speculation, but being and announcer, I love controversy and Kevin I am sure cringes when he sees my name on the board! ;D  Sorry Kev, here we go.  There is lots of politics in racing.  You have the cars guys trying to secore race dates against the motorcycle guys.  You have multiple organizations in the MC ranks competing for the racers dollars and of course every organization feels that its procedures and rules are right and the others are dumb.  All this revolves around money.  It is expensive to rent a track and expensive to keep one up.  Some groups get better treatment and rates than others and this can create troubles during contract times and further increases competition between groups.  CCS is always looking to find new tracks to race- Kevin has lots of them coming to him and unfortunatley those mostly are not ready for racing of bikes and some just are too cost prohibitive to run.  It would be nice if all the MC organizations could band together and get some real buying power to negotiate better deals from the tracks and put on a better show for the racers, but unfortunately- I don't see that ever happening :(

[OmniGLH]

FYI--Dawn hit the nail on the head.  The story you have recited an inaccurate depiction of what actually took place.

So you posted here - why didn't you just continue on and post your side of the story?  What was the point in even replying to Dawn?

[balistic]

There's always two sides to every story....

 Call CCS and ask them why it was cancelled.  That way you would have all the information.

This is the post on RRW, Looks like I got the data that CCS was putting out correct.

8/27/2004
Two CCS Events Cancelled, Third Questionable

Copyright 2004, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc.

Two CCS regional race events, one at the Streets of Willow in California and another at Heartland Park on Kansas, have been cancelled and an October event at Summit Point Raceway's Shenandoah Circuit may have to be canceled, according to a CCS mailer to racers e-mailed to Roadracingworld.com August 27.

The December 11-12 Pacific/Southwest Regional event (a double-points event) at the Streets of Willow in Rosamond, California has been cancelled "due to changes instituted by track management," according to the CCS mailer.

[brian213]

Will, in the CCS newsletter it was stated, IMHO, a least a bit less caustically.

Though I love RRW, it's still "the press"...  :-/  Obviously you know that, as you are checking the "facts", which is a refreshing thing to see these days.  (not directing that at you, BTW, just in general)

-Brian

[Eric Kelcher]

rental of a track and profit that the renter antipates/needs to survive are where the point is if the rental is pretty high and the allure of the track is not very high then the gate monies need to offset the rental cost. if the track sets a high rent and takes the gate (all, part, is fixed below norm, or needed revenue)it is hard to make ends meet. the PR does not say it happened mid year (I don't think it did looking at PRs from Willow on RRW website)

[balistic]

rental of a track and profit that the renter antipates/needs to survive are where the point is if the rental is pretty high and the allure of the track is not very high then the gate monies need to offset the rental cost. if the track sets a high rent and takes the gate (all, part, is fixed below norm, or needed revenue)it is hard to make ends meet. the PR does not say it happened mid year (I don't think it did looking at PRs from Willow on RRW website)

 A lot has been said here but the fact still remains that weather or not the Streets race is in the red or black there was no change in the Willow Springs policy and that is my beef about this.
CCS blamed ( maligned) track management for a policy change that in fact didn't occur ( CCS wanted the gate) and it is that they didn't change their policy that is the reason not that they did. Words mean things and blaming the track for the race being cancelled is out in left field as far as responsibility goes.
Three years ago when I started back with CCS Streets was so full you couldn't find a spot to pit, now it's not even in the black? Why? Who? What will be done to remedy the situation?
Instead of placing blame, how about looking at how to recover the lost attendance before WERA takes over the entire area, and there is no Pacific region.
I have spoken to what I think some of the problems were and are to management, I went public with this because I took offence at my track being made responsible for CCS not running. If it were true I wouldn't have said a word, but it wasn't and that is why I am here.
Will

[balistic]

Will, in the CCS newsletter it was stated, IMHO, a least a bit less caustically.

Though I love RRW, it's still "the press"...  :-/  Obviously you know that, as you are checking the "facts", which is a refreshing thing to see these days.  (not directing that at you, BTW, just in general
-Brian

Hi Brian
              Take notice that no one has disputed the facts here. only attempted to defend the post and decision without putting forth any NEW data as to how what I was told by the track is incorrect.
Will

[duc995@aol.com]

What's wrong with WERA taking over?  That's what I am waiting for!  If CCS can't do it then someone else will...let things run their course!

[Steviebee]

Call CCS and ask them why it was cancelled.

Yea ..   I've got 4 hours to kill being put on hold each time. !!!

Emails never gonna get returned, so that no route.

SO were just gonna bash them here on a public forum instead ..

[Super Dave]

Topeka's an easy one.

Hey, it's probably gonna snow there by then.

SoW?

It's California.  You might be hit by the molten lava from Mt St Helens as it rolls down the fault lines.

[balistic]

What's wrong with WERA taking over?  That's what I am waiting for!  If CCS can't do it then someone else will...let things run their course!

 Your point is well taken. I will probably have another license next year myself. The point of my post was just fair warning of the products of the present management strategy.
Will

[RAY_HYMER]

so, where did you hear the last round in SW was going to be double points? I know SOW was going to be, but I've not seen anything that says they're making Firebird East double for the 2nd time this season.

The Firebird Main schedule is now posted, and at the bottom of the page it indicates that the November 14 race at Firebird East is in fact a double points race.   ;D