Amateur, Expert, what have you....

[Super Dave]

Longer races?  We've had eight lap races at Blackhawk ever since I can remember.  Isn't any longer this year.

As for racers being tired after three to four races...Eric, isn't the average like 4.7 or something?  Some racers are limited by machine (GSXR1000 can only enter three classes...how many classes could you race competitively if you had a Ninja 250...).  And there are some racers that enter more.  A good deal more just to keep the average up.  

Tires...depends upon how fast you can go and how fast you want to go.  If I enter nine races and I want to win them, the tire bill is going to be pretty big.  However, if I didn't think I could win, I could run the new Michelin Pilot Power Sport or something...isn't going to be as fast as the Michelin Pilot Race DOT...I'd still do well, but it would certainly be harder to win.

So, the balancing act becomes...

• If you want a purse, you're gonna have higher entry fees to cover the purse
• If you'd like fewer races, you're gonna have to have higher entry fees to cover the costs of the track, amoritization of insurance, office, etc
• If you want fewer races AND a purse, you're gonna have even more cost

[motomadness]

I would be willing to pay a little more if there was a purse that paid and paid deep.

[motomadness]

I would also like longer races.  For 50% more money, at least twice as many laps.

[r6_philly]

I would be willing to pay $70 - 80 per race, if every race is 12 laps (on average tracks) and pays to $10 place. Doesn't have to pay a whole lot, maybe $50 for 10th. Then I will enter 4 races.

I would be willing to pay $100 per race for a premier/pro level race that pays maybe 15th and lasts 30 minutes, or roughly 16 laps (twice the normal sprint) and have a qualifying session. (like a FUSA race)

In all I favor longer races and deeper purse even if I have to pay more per race. Higher fees and less races will lead to more practice time (hopefully) as well.

I would certainly go for the pro/expert level license.

Maybe Pro/Expert races will be longer and deeper purses and higher fees (like FUSA races) so we will have a mini FUSA weekend every weekend.

Sportsman classes can be 50% longer and pay 5-10 places with a less total purse and $70 entry fees.

The problem I see is how many races can a pro/ex enter per weekend. I would have to be able to enter 2-3 races to justify coming to race. Maybe 1 per day at least.

So
Pro/Ex have 6 races (2 per weight class)
Sportsman have more races (most)
Novice have 3 races (3 weight class)

I would like to see that. You can still race up classes, so opportunties are there.

Pro/ex races will grid based on the second practice session times. Sportsman grid by points or entry.

practices:
novice group
sportsman even
sportsman odd
sportsman lightweight
ex light
ex mw/hw (second rotation split mw and hw for time qualifying)

thats roughly my proposal, Dave email me/post here if you have thoughts or questions. I am supporting this change all the way, I kind of mentioned it last year but we didn't have any momentum

[H-man]

Thunderbike - Yeah, same.
Sportbike Light - LWSS rules
Grand Prix Light - LWGP rules

For the sake of the class, I would say that :
Superbike
FZR400 frame can have FZR600 Motor (Not YZF, because it has a better head and more RPM)
F2 Lightweight legal per Thunderbike specs.
SV per current superbike specs.

Supersport
Supersport prep on a F2 or Fizzer 600 makes it Lightweight SS legal.  (An SS legal SV is still the best, but a guy could be track ready for $2000 on the F2 or FZR 600)

These three bikes are all affordable, easily prepped, and very well matched.  SOME class needs to be entry level for affordable machines!

Any comments on this?

I agree with this whole-heartedly!!

Especially the point, "SOME class needs to be entry level for affordable machines!"  Those of us in this for the personal challenge, fun and comraderie really aren't about to dig too deeply to get on the track, remain on the track, or be among the top three in the race.

BTW, Numbskullz, F2 are currently LW legal in F40L.  But I understand your point ablut how an F2 can be tweaked to produce some serious ponies and in the hands of a rider other than me....

  H-man