Amateur, Expert, what have you....

[Super Dave]

LOL, you thing...

Bill, yeah, I was thinking a lot of the things you are.  There are two classes for a 1000.

CCS has not kept adding 600 classes except for the Sportbike class that they had for one year, last year.  Really, the classes are the same as they have been for quite some time.

In 1993, I entered nine classes a weekend to win the number one plate on a current production supersport 600.  I can still enter nine classes on a 600.  If I was 40, I could enter it in Formula 40.

[Thorny]

Oh, come on Dave, admit it finally and enter Formula 40. Your not fooling any of us. Beside then you will have something to blame your thought patterns on, old age.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

I'd race CMRA instead of CCS if I lived down there.  Saturday is for the rider,s school, a few races similar to what Dave is talking about with novice groups. (including something like 50cc or 80cc GP for your KIDS to start racing on!) And then a 4-6 hour endurance race.  Sunday is a Light, Middle, Heavy, unlimited sprint day, With an SS class and a GP class for each, and one race dedicated to the two stroke fans.  Simple, cheap, fun.  ENDURANCE, BABY!

[Thingy]

I'd race CMRA instead of CCS if I lived down there.  Saturday is for the rider,s school, a few races similar to what Dave is talking about with novice groups. (including something like 50cc or 80cc GP for your KIDS to start racing on!) And then a 4-6 hour endurance race.  Sunday is a Light, Middle, Heavy, unlimited sprint day, With an SS class and a GP class for each, and one race dedicated to the two stroke fans.  Simple, cheap, fun.  ENDURANCE, BABY!

AMEN Brotha!

[Super Dave]

WERA never kept it's hold in the Midwest with endurance racing etc.  Might work at Hallett (I'd bet that the cost of Hallet is quite a bit cheaper (OKC and Tulsa being the big communities) when compared to Blackhawk (Chicago, Milwaukee, Rockford, Republic of Madision).  CMRA is inexpensive, but it's part of their market.  

CRA has a big endurance race...

WERA endurance at Grattan...

Me in F40?  Purk's gonna beat me to that class.  I'll have to let him win...so, is birth considered a Lemaz start?

[Dawn]

Dave:

I'm been very busy lately, so I haven't had time to pick through the threads....

In this new proposal, what classes would the Expert Sportsman 700cc SV's fit in?

Thanks,

Dawn   :)

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Thunderbike - Yeah, same.
Sportbike Light - LWSS rules
Grand Prix Light - LWGP rules
 Dawn, I think you would be elegible for the first and third of these classes, and could of course enter middleweight stuff if Paul was feeling froggy!

Just for the record, FZR 560 should be let in thunderbike too.  That stupid engine cases rule is outdated and irrelivant.  WERA allowed the YZF cases years ago.  I stopped campaigning on that rule when I sold my Fizzer, but the bikes are still out there.
Face it.  A 560 or even a 600 motor in a FZR400 chassis will make about the same power with flatslides as a goos SV superbike or an F2.  The F2 should also be allowed in Lightweight Superbike.  We're talking performance issues here, not petty rules.  These three bikes are just about all that is left as options for lightweight racing at any sort of competitive level.  For the sake of the class, I would say that :
Superbike
FZR400 frame can have FZR600 Motor (Not YZF, because it has a better head and more RPM)
F2 Lightweight legal per Thunderbike specs.
SV per current superbike specs.

Supersport
Supersport prep on a F2 or Fizzer 600 makes it Lightweight SS legal.  (An SS legal SV is still the best, but a guy could be track ready for $2000 on the F2 or FZR 600)

These three bikes are all affordable, easily prepped, and very well matched.  SOME class needs to be entry level for affordable machines!

Any comments on this?

[Protein Filled]

I don't know about F2's in LW classes...You can build them up to having 105 HP's in a reliable form, add F3 suspension and they handle real well since CCS thunderbike does not have the HP/weight rules!

They could pretty much check out in the LW classes fairly easily with a good rider on board. I understand them being allowed in Thunderbike, but I am not sure about LW's...

Regarding endurance racing, it takes a very dedicated group to run endurances every weekend!! Lot's of maintenance and work in between weekends to freshen the bikes up. Personally, I would do it, but not sure how profitable it would be for CCS.


Hey Dave, when you mention "longer races" for the expert levels, How much longer are you talking about? 50% longer? 100% longer?

[motomaniac]

Hey Dave,

I know I haven't been out much this year, but racing is in my blood and I will see you, Purk, and Hendricks in the formula 40 class too.  

Anyway, I like the three tier deal as well.  One or two classes for the beginner level per weekend with their own practise.  Let them run whatever they've got, they're beginners and don't have a lot of money and really just want to get their feet wet.

Limiting the number of available classes is a great idea... I don't know what to enter anymore, so I enter the ones that I have a chance of making some money back in when I enter.  That's how I do it.  We've got way too many class overlaps that just waste time.  Give us longer races and give us more purse.

Need a petition, I'll sign it.

Milroy Jr.

[Thorny]

Hey Jimmy, I was reading your post so fast at first I thought it said "I need a pension" instead of, "Need a petition" When did the racing thing get bennies!!!

 PJ

[Super Dave]

I've had a lot of e-mails back and forth.

Jim, guys...I'm all for something different for noobs, but I can't see where I can get it going because of resistance.  Still might come up with some ideas.

Less races.  Seems as though it's a money issue on one side.  I don't have answers.  Question:  Would you pay extra for your first class to have fewer races during the event weekend?

I want purses for expert races.  Question:  Would you pay extra for your expert entries to have a purse (preferably in the form that I have up somewhere...one that pays first through fifteenth), but it might not be a longer race?

[Eric Kelcher]

Longer races were implemeted this year from average of 14-15 miles to races of 17-19 even 20 miles.
What is the response to that riders entering fewer races as they can get their fix, hit the wear limit on tires or are just plain tired after 3 races rather than 4.