VP MONEY

[GAMEDIC]

I have a call in as well and will let you know ASAP .. and as far as what Greg said FL may be different but for the SE it is $25 per 10gal for example U4 and if you use 10gal of an MR product as in MR1,MR8, MR9, MRX01 it will be $50... like i said FL region may be different but Gerg is correct as far as the Southeast goes

[ninelives59]

have not got mine at all either ???

[ninelives59]

hey vp lady,I have purchased fuel from prieto racing and have not got any money also purchased at barber from track side.I also got some form r&b motorcyles but I know that does not count..Duane desouza 59 ccs 559 wera. :-/

[porky]

    At the last VIR event the VP tractor and trailor was there , and I had a very long and interesting conversation with him.  First of Greg no disrespect you"re a great guy but somethings wrong, I would have been on the phone immediatly when I heard what he was selling fuel for. The guy from VP was selling his fuel for an average of $15 less, he also told us that we did't have to buy from the regional vendor especially since there fuel was higher than anyone. We bought fuel from our local fuel supplier in charlotte, and his fuel was the same as the VP guy's at VIR, but team velocity keeps saying there's a price change. Also the guy with VP also said we did NOT have to buy from the track vendor to get contingency at all. And if there is a price change wouldn't the guy that came straight from texas with a tractor and trailor have the most current pricing? I mean something don't make sense. If you do get contingency, won't paying the extra money your paying at the track be offset by the price difference you could pay somewhere else. I think the whole you must buy from me or no contingency crap i a scam to charge more, and then take months to get contingency if you do get it all. VP should really do something alot different if they want to pay the racers, not tell you if you don't buy from me or no pay crap. Some of us don't want to depend on one guy to get there fuel there. And some of you may say they do it so they know you are using there product, but really think about it, how many of us have the decals and don't use the product.  But anyway I'm some of you are going to put me in the ditch for this, but the bottom line is VP track vendors are making $10 to $15 or more off of fuel that you can buy somewhere else even VP themselves. Example VP truck at VIR. So add up how much contingency you have gotten vs how much fuel you buy vs how much you could  buying the fuel at a cheaper rate.   Thats all you can ditch me now, sorry greg nothing aimed at you.

[stumpy]

   I wouldn't get a kiss on the cheek and a pat on the butt from the trackside vendor if I purchaced fuel from someone else!  ;DThanks for lookin' into it Rob!
My family can eat again as soon as we get those certs. ;)




Stumpy

[LMsports]

Thanks Stumpy! I'll donate a few hot dogs until then! Porky, I'm not from out your way so I cannot confirm or deny what you are saying but I can tell you how it is here. I signed a deal with VP at the beginning of the year to be their authorized trackside vendor for Midwestern CCS events. By doing this they assured me that although racers can buy VP from anyone they want to they would only get paid contingency if they bought it from me. I send in a list of riders that purchase at least 10 gallons a race weekend after each race weekend and VP compares my list with the results that CCS provides them and the tech sheets that riders fill out. No other VP provider in my area can submit names for consideration for contingency. There have been 3 price increases since the beginning of the calendar year and two since I have become the contingency supplier. I did raise my price the first time but I have not raised my price since the last 5% increase here in June. I'm doing my best to keep VP affordable for my customers, that is if you can consider race fuel affordable at all. Most of my customers are repeat customers and I can count on a certain amount of fuel sales at each round. They take care of me by buying regularly, I take care of them by keeping my prices reasonable. It works for everyone. The contingency hasn't been lightning fast by any means but hey, at least they have some. So many of the products we currently use do not. But I'll continue to be there and as long as the company can convince me that they are making the effort to give something back I'll keep supporting their product.

[VPFL]

hey vp lady,I have purchased fuel from prieto racing and have not got any money also purchased at barber from track side.I also got some form r&b motorcyles but I know that does not count..Duane desouza 59 ccs 559 wera. :-/

You'll have to tell me what race you purchased 10 gallons of fuel from Prieto and placed in a contingency spot. I'll be happy to research it for you.

[Cindy_Ivey]

Thanks LMsports!  That is the case here also.  I am the authorized VP vendor for the WERA SE region and also the CCS SE region.  Noone can authorize to pay contingency in these regions except for myself.  We too have had 3 price increases this year but have had to raise our price each time due to our travel incurred with higher pump prices (we are based in Georgia and have been to California and will be going to Michigan, Ohio as well as the usual West VA and VA) and we cover two racing organizations which means double the races.

In regards to running the stickers and not running the fuel, it does happen.  That's why VP went to the authorized vendor.  I've been told that there were people turning in receipts for fuel purchses to get Contingency but it turned out that they had forged receipts from dealerships that didn't even sell the fuel.

I can understand everyone's frustration with contingency as I am frustrated also.  I haven't seen a dime all year from any of our sponsors.  As far as VP goes, the responsibility for contingency checks went to a person who already had a full work load and she has to do checks for each of the CCS and WERA regions along with the WERA National Challenge series and FUSA.  So hang in there - she is working on it.

Cindy

[porky]

I'm sorry  just venting  a little , but its just very frustrating when a guy driving a VP tractor and trailor straight from texas is cheaper on fuel than the track vendor and someone that doesnt always finish 1st 5th  or so on that never gets contingency is payng more for fuel from the track vendor. For instance u4 $50 from vp which he said was current price vs 65 from the track vendor.  And what is even more embarrasing I personally witnessed someone bringing back fuel to the track vendor (who happens to be a friend of mine) for a refund ,then go to the vp truck and purchase it cheaper. Dont get me wrong I appreciate all track vendors ,they work hard for us for little money, but how is this vendor going to do when he is getting punked at the track, when he says he cant even buy the fuel from his supplier that cheap. It really hurt the reputation of this particular se track vendor, everyone that i talked to was really pissed about the price difference.  And lmsports and vpfl I,m sure ya"ll can see what this would do at a fusa weekend.I really apologize if I piss anyone off, I just think it needs to be brought out and something done, because our vendor is a really good guy.

 Listen all you guys and gals are great Just voicing my opinion and of some others, So just dont boot me off the track as i pass.

[Cindy_Ivey]

You just answered your on questions about why the fuel is so much cheaper on the VP truck.  It's because it comes straight from VP.  The fuel costs them less than it does us.  Plus, they have a contracted price for the FUSA and AMA series and the FUSA just happen to coincide with the regional event.  I would post the retail price sheet that I got from VP but I can't post prices on the boards.

Cindy

[porky]

Sorry  Miss Ivey I just bought 10gallons from a local retailer that deals only in race fuel yesterday, and specifically ask him about price increase, and the u4 was $50.48 for a 5 gallon drum. I'm not trying to disput you but I've run my own trucking company for over ten years and if ya'll are making $15  on each 5 gallons with approximately say 1000 gallons sold on a weekend I think that should easily cover the shipping and handling cost.but everyone is still concentrating on the price and why contingency takes 7 years to pay but what about the embarrasement of my trackside vendor. He now cannot even race on the weekends , and constantly has people harrasing him about why is your fuel higher than over here. I understand shpping cost , hazard liabilities but I still think if I didnt constantly finsh 1st or 5th I would have to hunt the cheapest of race fuel if I had to have it. If I bought 10gallons from a local source and saved $30 that would pay my gate fee and a burger.

[Protein Filled]

You think a trackside vendor sells a 1000 gallons of fuel a weekend? I very highly doubt that!!  

Maybe at an air show!  ;D