Race # 2 AM Turn 4

[TLR696CCS]

Roy, Different subject, but are you going to Roebling Road July 23-25?????

[packfan]

20 min sessions are he norm in AMA etc... but iot does not have to be that way for CCS.  Same practice sessions just use the times for gridding...

The issue I see w/ that is someone will start "trying to win practice"... I don't really see the 1000 vs the 600 as a big issue in the same practice.  As Amatuers  the diff can be so tremendous between riders skill levels that a guy on a 600 may be the fastest guy in practice because of the skill level... GTO frequently is won by a non-litre bike.  W/ the experts they should be able handle it...

And w/ the setup issue...  We run the same tracks over and over... A click of rebound here and there is what should be being addressed in morning practice, maybe looking at tire wear and adjusting pressures... if you need more than that two 10-20 min practice session in the mornings before a race are never going to be enough... Maybe the Friday track days would get more popular,  that is when we need to figure out our set-ups (or work on it in the GTL/GTU/GTO)...

Hell,  I walk thru the pits looking at setups and seeing what others run... it is amazing to me that you can find many in the paddock that are complaing about suspension but have never even bothered to set their sag....

[Steviebee]

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[Xian_13]

The timed qualifying ...

You cannot use practice times as when do you practice and do your setup then, plus you would not be setting imes apples to apples. SuperSport GSXR600 vs GSXR 1000superbike practice in the same group...

Aside from RA and Daytona....
How much differance would it make if the Few Racers that have multiple bike would Qualify on a 1000 for gridding?

Anyone that is Capible of being on the front row at BFHs on a Liter bike, is more than likely to be able to put down close to the same times on a 600.

Just my OPinion

13X

[Absolute]

hey Dave, funny thing the numbers match!! 503...no im not going to georgia,,barber is the next trip......see you then??

the thoughts on timed qualifying in practice sounds good, i like the hw and mw comparison, but the way i look at it...it is a better way to grid rather than who signs up first... set up or not it would put the field in a better position at the start.. also we are no pros right now so i do not think that it owuld be much of a disadvantage, as starting from the 2nd wave sometimes you can manage to get up front...

Also it would prevent soem that takes the school at summit and races, then spends there next race up front on the grid because they signed up sooner than some, however are 15 sec slower than thos around them......

I knowsome of these issues have been addressed before,,, and we are not expecting huge change.. but a little organization as far as gridding would go a long way.  Thanks for your thoughts...

[xunil11]

I agree with you somewhat about the gridding.  But I dont think going to time qualifying would be the best idea for all classes.  If you dont like where you are sitting on the grid pre-register.  I you still dont get up in the front practice your hole-shot.  Goto a track day, and in pit exit, do a start practice every time you go out for a session.  Hell do one ever other lap.  Practice makes perfect.  I have seen E-BOZ come from second row and win the race off the hole-shot.  If the guys are that slow up front you can get around them easy.  I usually catch 4-5 spots on a hole shot.  But if it is your first year racing, I would prefer to be in the back, to watch everything unfold in T-1.  Work on yourself, and then you will be amazed @ how fast you work everyone else around the track.  You sound like a pretty fast guy, dont know never raced against you.  Other thing if you think moving to the LW classes is going to be easier, think again.  The LW SS/SBK/GP/ THunderbike/GTLITE is definitly a highly competitive class.  The only difference is we wont kick you or cut you off for a spot.  Unless your a BUELL  :-X  JK guys.  Although they need all the help they can get!

Have fun be safe, get an SV for your first RACE BIKE!

[smoke]

I agree. I race a 600 as an amateur, but mostly in non-MW classes (GTO, HWSS, ULSS, F40).  The dumbest moves always come when I do a MWSS race (GTU isn't as bad, people get spread out), like last weekend at VIR when a guy stuffed me in T3 and our fairings banged. Yeah, yeah .. "its racing," but we also have day jobs and I've only seen 1 fellow competitor race in the AMA (William Meyers, amateur last year).  I'm looking fwd to being an expert next year, but am thinking about getting an SV so I'm racing with non-FUSA/pros.  

Another important point for all the boneheads making passes and taking people down.  The fastest guys (racing in GTO with expert/Am together, so racing with the Troy Batleys/Scott Harwells) make the CLEANEST and SAFEST passes.  Its called skill. And if you don't have a clean pass, you need to wait to a part of the track where you can make one. I hate waiting, but the reason  I'm waiting is that I'm not good enough to pass in lots of places. As said above, most MW amateurs will never figure this out.

First off is the MG? Green painted bike? If so its was funny reading your post remembering what u did to a buddy of mine at summit on FUSA weekend and I heard your conversation when you walked past my pit area talking about the incident.  So this post of yours is BS in my book!

Roy..  I hope all is well and the bike is fixable... I had two close friends taken out of races at VIR. Truefuly Some people will never change...

[wvracer97]

  snip   <The dumbest moves always come when I do a MWSS race (GTU isn't as bad, people get spread out), like last weekend at VIR when a guy stuffed me in T3 and our fairings banged. Yeah, yeah .. "its racing,"  but we also have day jobs >

Well well Mr. max... I wasn't going to touch this one, but I can't resist.  First of all, I was the guy that took you on the inside of T3 at VIR during the GTU race.  Scott Harwood #97.. might'o' heard of me.  I'm neither embarassed or dissapointed in the move I made on you due to the following:  VIR is a difficult track to make a clean pass on anyone who takes up the entire track trying to make the apex.  I will not sit idly by whilst I watch you gingerly double apex through there.  Here's a little advice for ya-- don't take a line deep into that turn and then decide to change it at the last minute to make what you think is a "perfect apex".  When I was coming in on you into that turn I had nowhere to go because of your last minute change, so I took the turn from you, pardon the contact.  I was neither trying to showboat, nor do I have delusions of grandeur about my ability, but when I'm on the track I'm out there to push myself as hard as I can.  It isn't a matter of whether or not we have day jobs-- it's competitive spirit.  I do have alot to learn, but racing aggressively (and cleanly) got me from 20-somethin in the second wave to sixth in three laps where I then lost my rear in the last turn going on to the front straight.  Maybe I'm guilty of poor tire management?? ;D

As for the Summit incident... I appreciate your ability to laugh about running a fellow racer off the front straight going into one. >:(  Once again by changing your line at the last minute!  Do you have any idea how hard it is to break from 140 mph at break marker 3 in the dirt and still save your bike and life?  I do.  And I still almost caught you by the end of the race :P

Don't be such a hypocrite next time 'round, 'cause I will throw my two cents in and call ya on it.

Hope to see you at Barber.

[Chuck]

If your grid position was decided on where you where at in the points it would keep the faster guys up front and the newer slower guys in the rear.  Plus you would know where your grid spot was every race.  ;)

[Xian_13]

If your grid position was decided on where you where at in the points it would keep the faster guys up front and the newer slower guys in the rear.  Plus you would know where your grid spot was every race.  ;)

Great Idea!!!!


To bad we race with CCS and it might be the end of the year before we know where we are in the points  :-X

13X

[Chuck]

Ooohhh!!!  Harsh but true.

[xseal]

Well, a couple responses.

401. We spoke after the race and I thought figured out that the "green" bike you were looking for re: T1 was someone else. There were a few out that day. When you left, I thought we were on the same page. I think that is still right.

97/Scott. Your entitled to your opinion, but my recollection is that it was a late apex, not a double. I wouldn't have thought anything of it, except another fellow racer (for real) came up to me and asked me if I had an incident w/ you b/c he did do -- another aggressive pass as he described it. You were pushing hard, which I presume is why you lost it in T17 20 yrd in front of me after the pass. Scott, you also have to admit that when we bumped, I backed off, and didn't contest the pass.  I stand by my view of the pass.

I'll be the first guy to let someone pass. If anyone sees me doing something I can improve, I'm open for it, but I don't think this is that.  I'll be the first one to admit, though, I have a lot to learn. Doesn't change the point of giving people passes when they have them, and not taking them when you can't make them clean