Why was I told I won nothing?

[68]

CCS RACES held by HDpromoshas never paid Am. and will not ever pay them this is the true insentive to stop sand bagging as a amature and step up to expert.


I see the 3-4 year amatures in southeast like to be paid and that is just b.s.

just my .002

:) 68

[cornercamping]

CCS RACES held by HDpromoshas never paid Am. and will not ever pay them this is the true insentive to stop sand bagging as a amature and step up to expert.


I see the 3-4 year amatures in southeast like to be paid and that is just b.s.

just my .002


:) 68

Some people aren't ready, or may never be ready for Expert.  Still doesn't mean that shouldn't get paid.  What's the difference between Expert and Amature.  Seconds on the clock.  Either way, both Experts and Amatures are STILL SPENDING the EXACT SAME amount of money to race more or less. Yes, an Expert will need more tires in a season, but a serious amature will still have to come out of pocket as much as an expert.  So, why deny the amature his/her hard earned contigency cash?  Only difference between an amature and expert bike is the time it takes to make a complete lap, and length of experiance.  Either way, both bikes need:

Oil
Gas
Tires
Ect.

So why deny the amature?  Not everyone Cherry Picks. Some people don't have the talent, and some don't belong that ARE expert.  Regardless, everyone is spending the cash to race, regardless of the motivation behind it.  Last time I checked, not that many racers show up to make a living  ;)  If manufacturers won't support the sport in all classes, then why support them.  

How about this.  NO CONTINGENCY for anyone NOT AMA, FIM, WSBK, or MotoGP.  How would the experts feel then?

I could understand maybe no support for 1st year novice, but after that, it's unacceptable IMHO.

I'm off now, to buy a new Rolex with the $20.00 Silkolene certificate that I won last year, the ONLY contigency money I won infact  ;) ;D

[cornercamping]

AND ALOS....

How about this.  Let's all find the product manufacturers that DO NOT support amature racers/non-expert.  Meaning:

1. If they don't support amature class club racing.
2. If they don't support club racing (i.e. AMA only, ect.)

and then, let's ban their product.  Let's see how far they get with only AMA level support of their products.  On the buisness side of it, being an AMA sponsor gives "better" exposure than club level.. BUT... Club racers pay the light bill.  How many sets of Rearsets, Trackfairings, ect. can a Factory Level team need?  Think that American Suzuki gives a rats ass who supplies the bodywork?  Gee, they don't have billions of $ in the bank or anything.  Same difference.  Let's take this for an example:

Bob's Track Bodies (fictional company) does NOT support amature club racers.  So, amature club racers buy Chuck's Track Bodies because they do.  Now, Bob's Track Bodies is going to live on the support they provide and exposure they get from AMA.  How long will Bob's Track Bodies be around?

As far as race org's not paying out, there's not too much you can do I guess, but manufacturers need to step up and give US A REASON to use their stuff.

On a serious note, think of this:

Sharkskinz costs let's say $800.00 a full set.
Hot Bodies costs let's say $450.00 a full set.


Without arguing the crashability point, which is kind of mute, because they will all break in a crash sooner or later, I am going to support the one that does support club level racing.  

[ScubaSteve]

  Good god why have we gone from a purse paying race to talking about contingencys? No amateurs shouldnt get paid purses why cause there are a crap load of life long ams (especially on this board) ;D who will do everything to stay am therefore sandbagging so they can get paid. Also as a AM your biggest goal should be white plates so you can earn the money. Last year in was a 1st year Am i got all my contingency Pirelli ,VP,EBC...etc Its your own fault if you dont receive them sometimes you have to call, sometimes you have to finish good enough and maybe there wasnt enough riders in your class. DAmn if i was getting paid last year as a Am i wouldve been making money doing this stuff or breakin even. I agree with the way Florida does it could be why we dont have alot of sandbaggin multi year AMs in are region.  The reason why you get paid at Daytona as a Am is its not a FL race its all regions combined.

[flccs90]

O.K. From what I understand is the s.e. region is combined w/fl to give them more race dates ( i could be wrong) also the word amatuer means just that! or are you guys not fast enough to step up and collect the dough in ex.!!! Quit B----ing! and race! the only people that dont like fl ccs are non fl riders go figure! you can come play w/ us any time.


my .002

[Super Dave]

 Good god why have we gone from a purse paying race to talking about contingencys? No amateurs shouldnt get paid purses why cause there are a crap load of life long ams who will do everything to stay am therefore sandbagging so they can get paid. Also as a AM your biggest goal should be white plates so you can earn the money.

Good, Scuba...

Yes, the money making should be restricted to certain categories of riders.  

It was not so long ago that there was NO purse money for amateurs at all.  Contingency money was very, very restricted, and really was only for experts in purse or manufacturer contingency races.  The extention of that now is great.

As for companies that don't offer contingency, well, often they are upstart companies that can't afford to offer such things.  You've got to make some money to offer anything special like that...and racers, well, they are always looking for a deal and most can't deliver on all their sponsorship promises...after all, most road racers only race for about two to two and a half years.  

[ScubaSteve]

  Thanks Super dave ill have to come and meet you at RA i didnt have a chance at daytona.

[GAMEDIC]

Well if you want to get technical...we are ALL amateurs even the experts.... the correct term would be novice for yellow plates because all club racing is amateur racing...

[Super Dave]

No, sportsman type racing like CCS, WERA, etc is ProAm racing.  There is really nothing other than the amount of points and someone buying an AMA Pro or FUSA license vs someone that has an expert license in CCS, WERA, WSMC, WMRRA, MRA, etc.

I will be at RA, Steve.

[mmills416]

My whole ametuer year last season when ever i won a race i thought "wow thats cool I just won, but there is a whole other group of guy in the expert class that are faster than me.  I cant wait to race them to see how I do."  That is the point of the AM class.  Henry pays out $2000 cash in the shoot out thats open to experts only and $200 cash in the GT races to the experts.  If the guys want the CASH step it up and get out of the AM ranks, I DID.  You should only stay AM for your first complete year especailly if you've had success as an ameutuer.  I understand that some guy may not be fast enough to move up and for saftey reason they stay down and thats cool, but they dont desive to take cash that I could be winning.  The promoters would have to raise the entry fees to generate the cash for the winnings.  Hell even the Product Contingency is higher in the Expert classes, and for that mater it higher in the 1000 class than the light weight class and you dont see us WHINNING about that.  
WERA doesn't even payout for anything and your bitching about HENRY again.  WHATEVER get out of the AM class and race for the CASH or SHUT UP!!!!!

[hdpromos]

Michael, you got right as far as I'm concerned. But let me correct you on our Expert Purses: GTO, GTU and GT Lights pay $500. each. The Unlimited Expert pays $2,000. What we are dealing with here are a few "sand baggers" that want to remain Amateur. And in the case of the GAMEDIC, he did all he could to stay Amateur until he won his class championship on points and had to move to Expert "kicking and screaming" all the way! So "technically" in his mind he's still an Amateur! And ya know what, I agree with him! :P

HD

[Mongo]

WERA doesn't even payout for anything and your bitching about HENRY again.  WHATEVER get out of the AM class and race for the CASH or SHUT UP!!!!!

Actually we do.  $25 from each of our Solo entries goes into a purse that gets paid that day in cash at the track.  Since we have more Novices running the classes they get more money since it's done per class.  We will also pay further back with more entries.  Anyway, we do pay cash money to Novices.