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[fourandsix]

Jef i don't think your being a jerk , just can't answer your question as it is propriatery info (i'm not the best speller) . I purchased the GMD machine because at the time American Honda had one and our goal was to beat the winning factory bikes. Yes we had several good finishes up to that point but we wanted to win. We tried to have the best equipment in our shop and i think we do. I have had several factory team employees tell me that we have everything they have plus some as far as equipment.Well we bought the GMD machine and it moved us light years ahead in set up time and info. Then yes we did win a race.I beleive Dan Kyle is no longer associated with the machine anymore. You would have to check with him.

[Jeff]

Thanks for the reply Jim.  Actually I talked to Dan yesterday and he said exactly what you say here about being associated w/American honda.  

I also appreciate your reply that the info is proprietary.  It beats no reply at all.  

Take care.

-Jeff

[collision_pro]

Ever consider that I might not be legally permitted to?

Then as I said you shouldn't have said anything. Your only going by what Peter told you anyway.

[WebCrush]

Then as I said you shouldn't have said anything. Your only going by what Peter told you anyway.

Why shouldnn't I have?  And yer right, why should I listen to what a major participant in a company has to say about its product--i mean he only the oldest GMD shop here, 2nd to Kent in Atlanta.

Mike, I really think you need to rethink your odd passion for making sure GMD is debunked.   Its not getting you anywhere, sure as hell isn't making you any faster, and definitely wasting a lot of bandwidth.

[collision_pro]

Why shouldnn't I have?  And yer right, why should I listen to what a major participant in a company has to say about its product--i mean he only the oldest GMD shop here, 2nd to Kent in Atlanta.

Mike, I really think you need to rethink your odd passion for making sure GMD is debunked.   Its not getting you anywhere, sure as hell isn't making you any faster, and definitely wasting a lot of bandwidth.

If you were going to say what you knew then you should have said it. That's what I mean. I am not saying anything about Gmd, I am just interested in what makes one machine better then the other.

As for not making me fast, I think I went just as fast as you in one year racing then you did in five years! Lets not start this again. If you have anything more you want to say email me. ;)

[StealthFighter]

You guys are should all know better. There's only 2 reasons why I would bring my bike to a professional shop for suspension setup.  The first reason is if I wadded the bike up and I was curious if the bike is 6 inches twisted up.  The second reason is if I wanted to go faster than 14's at my home track, Loudon. Any newer gen bike will go 14's all day long, even all twisted up. It's all about the rider. If I'm going 17's, I have no right to get the bike measured because that means I'm just riding like a xussy.....and that may be the case until I get to know the bike   ;)
I just wanted some kind of numbers besides stock. Thanks for all the feedback.

[Super Dave]

It's all about the rider, yes.  But we have the gifted and talented riders, then the rest of us mortal ones.  I fall in under the mortal one's.  I don't have any special quick reaction times, I have no depth perception, and I didn't grow up racing motorcycles.  

Some blazingly fast riders have quick reactions that allow them to "ride any motorcycle" quickly.  The bike may not be right, but riders like that are able to react quicker to the things that happen to the bike.  So, where for me, with slower reactions, I feel something, then I'm on the ground.  Or I ride to a certain speed then find that to be comfortable.  

For me, the only way I learned how to be fast was to learn more about how a bike should be.  Racing vintage bikes that were certainly more "not right" in the geometry department, in addition to the fact that they were not wearing rubber that completely distorts the suspension under the load of cornering...they just weren't meant to have that kind of traction when they were designed thirty to forty years ago...taught me a lot of patterns about spring rates and geometry.

The GMD system helps put those geometry and spring issues into a form that is readable and replicatable.  Rather than experiementing with shock length all day and not being happy, probably because the trail is all messe up anyway, you can arrive at the race track with something that is refined and good.

Back to fast riders.  The GMD system isn't just for me, a normal person.  It's been used by the "fast" guys with exceptional reactions too.  Eric Wood?  Todd Harrington?  Denning?  Janisch?  I've seen those guys race, I've race against those guys.  Regardless, the GMD system IS part of their recipe for success...and they would be fast on a stock bike too.  If it wasn't worth the time and money, they'd be spending the money on something else that was important.

[bmfgsxr]

You guys are should all know better. There's only 2 reasons why I would bring my bike to a professional shop for suspension setup.  The first reason is if I wadded the bike up and I was curious if the bike is 6 inches twisted up.  The second reason is if I wanted to go faster than 14's at my home track, Loudon. Any newer gen bike will go 14's all day long, even all twisted up. It's all about the rider. If I'm going 17's, I have no right to get the bike measured because that means I'm just riding like a xussy.....and that may be the case until I get to know the bike   ;)
I just wanted some kind of numbers besides stock. Thanks for all the feedback.

any new gen bike can run 14's if it is set up properly. twisted... well i guess it would depend if on how it was twisted.  i believe it was mike martire who road fevers bike and he said it scared him... i dont think he ran faster than  17 on it, and mike can run 14's...  ;)