This whole "Schedule" thing

[cstem]

Agree, but being about the money, I'd think they would realize what a mistake this is...

Maybe I could move to a place that I could ice race all year round...

Think about it this way, in the SW region GT entries are down- not to mention boring.  Half an hour isnt long enough to put real strategy in and just long enough to string out the racers into a boring ridealong.  If all races are on Sunday, CCS can have less crew on Saturday- hence less money to pay out- hence no rise in gate fees or rider race entries- you can't have it both ways.  Now my vote is to get rid of GT races period, extend the Unlimited GP to twice its current length and maybe up the purse a little too.  Saturday practice is good for all those that can't get Fridays off and, good for CCS (no staff required for friday and no extra track rental.  And I am wondering since there is no 'competetion' on Saturday if the insurance for that day is less at some tracks.  Kevin and his crew are really busting their asses to keep roadracing alive and well in the best package available in the U.S. at an amatuer level.  I have seen many 'clubs around the U.S. over the last 20 years and still think CCS does it right- not right allthe time but when you have so many to please you will not please them all.  So be happy with what we have and rest assured that Kevin is trying to make do the very best that he can with what he is given.  So until you have the money to buy CCS from Clear Channel- quit carpin' and keep on racin'!  See you at the races! and Happy Holidays!

[r6_philly]

Think about it this way, in the SW region GT entries are down- not to mention boring.  Half an hour isnt long enough to put real strategy in and just long enough to string out the racers into a boring ridealong.  If all races are on Sunday, CCS can have less crew on Saturday- hence less money to pay out- hence no rise in gate fees or rider race entries- you can't have it both ways.  Now my vote is to get rid of GT races period, extend the Unlimited GP to twice its current length and maybe up the purse a little too.  Saturday practice is good for all those that can't get Fridays off and, good for CCS (no staff required for friday and no extra track rental.  And I am wondering since there is no 'competetion' on Saturday if the insurance for that day is less at some tracks.  Kevin and his crew are really busting their asses to keep roadracing alive and well in the best package available in the U.S. at an amatuer level.  I have seen many 'clubs around the U.S. over the last 20 years and still think CCS does it right- not right allthe time but when you have so many to please you will not please them all.  So be happy with what we have and rest assured that Kevin is trying to make do the very best that he can with what he is given.  So until you have the money to buy CCS from Clear Channel- quit carpin' and keep on racin'!  See you at the races! and Happy Holidays!

opinions, everyone has one. yours noted.

and just so you know, it happen to be a minority one, to most of the points you were trying to make.

he is paying his money, and he is going to say what he feels.

"be happy with what you got" is a load of CRAP. if that was the right way to think we would still be a colony

[cstem]

I am just saying that all I hear is bitching and moaning and no real ideas on a good fix.  Yes you are paying money and that means you should have a vested interest in what is going on.  Yet, this is reality and no one can please all the people all the time.  As far as I am concerned CCS is the best organization available for amatuer racers in the country, and they are trying to improve what they provide to you.  However this takes money, money comes from racer entries, gate fees and licsensing fees, which are right in check with any other club or organization in the country that provides roadracing.
Ask anyone who has or is holding racing right now, it is tough business and they are providing for only 500 raceers at the most.  CCS has thousands, from all reaches of North America and at the same time has a skeleton crew to take care of the details.  Is the answer hire more people? Sure.  But those people have to be paid, travel has to be paid etc.  CCS is trying to to the best they can do to survive and bring a safe program to you, all the while fighting a poor (but slowly improving) economy, rising track rents/insurance/emt costs etc..  It is all opinion Philly- but like I said, offer some cheese with the whine- or buy CCS and "fix" it.  (BTW- cheese is something constructive in this case).

[r6_philly]

I suggest you go read the "Florida Total Points still wrong" thread.

Obviously some people have been having problems with the org or some business have not been done wonderfully. So let those people voice their complaints. If you don't have any, don't say nothing. Singing glorious songs of CCS is not going to solve anyone's problems. mmmmmk?

Its great CCS has loyal customers as yourself. Be happy in your little shell, don't read anyone's complain if you don't agree.

You are obviously not coming up with any solutions either. So until you can buy CCS and solve everyone's problems and complains, I suggest you stop whining about the whiners... that is your own suggestion isn't it?

grab some cheese and enjoy your holidays mmmmk?

[Super Dave]

I'll agree also that there is a lot of complaining.  

Doing something for a lot longer than most of you would give you a more tempered perspective on the whole thing.

One day races?  Won't know how they will work until we do it.  But, Nate, did you say that they are doing it in the FL region?

Seven races in one day?  Well, you get what you pay for.  Most people DON'T enter seven races, so I don't think it will dramatically change the average.  Didn't we go from how money grubbing CCE is and now we're telling CCE that they are going to loose so much revenue?  Can't eat cheese on both sides?  LOL!

I have yet to see a perfect organization.  Certainly, they each, even regionally, have strengths and weeknesses.  

As for solutions, even though I have seen things quite a bit differently with Kevin Elliott on some CCE issues and my school, he and I do discuss matters with an amount of regularity.  I got the fuel rules changed from 1999 to 2000, again from 2003 to 2004, I got some rules changed in Lightweight Sportsman several years ago.  I proposed "Sportbike" type rules in the 90's with the format that I wanted at the regional level being adopted for ULGP at the regional level this year.

As for the colony analogy...

What would be our format on that...no racing fees without racing...

[Jeff]

Heck, I just wanted to know if the schedule was RIGHT :)

Looking at the midwest region, 3 weekends are single day events (Heartland Park & Gingerman).  This may keep me from going down to KS, but I might give it a whirl.  I love Gingerman, so I'll definitely go there.

Now, looking at the LP Sport-Rider days, I see that Sat will be practice days integrated with LP Sportrider days.  IMHO, that worked out okay for the 1 weekend I did this on in 03.  Other people complained, but it personally wasn't too bad.

The one thing that did suck though is that the races were shortened down to 5 laps during the 1 day events.  This is a huge b1tching point for people...

On the good side, it was awesome to see open practice at Gateway on the conclusion of racing on Saturday.  This was a big "we care about you" gesture that I don't think many people mentioned or acknowledged.  Me?  I didn't get to take advantage of it, I was trying to JB weld my rear brakes back together from a crash earlier in the day...

[Super Dave]

On the good side, it was awesome to see open practice at Gateway on the conclusion of racing on Saturday.  This was a big "we care about you" gesture that I don't think many people mentioned or acknowledged.  Me?  I didn't get to take advantage of it, I was trying to JB weld my rear brakes back together from a crash earlier in the day...

This was ALWAYS the custom years ago at Blackhawk.  Admittedly, it seems hard for us to get AM/EX GTU uncombined because some seem to feel that we need to be done way before 6PM.  

[Super_KC124]

So, does anyone know for sure that these are going to be 1 day events or not?

[cstem]

The SW region is going to be like this; Practice for racers and trackday for streeters on Saturday- no  racing on Saturday.  Sunday is racing with ( not sure about this yet) a possible one practice session per group.  Twin sprint weekends will be practice/track day on Friday and racinig Sat/Sun.  I think one benefit of this is for those racers who have friends or crew come out and help, they will only have to pay gate for one day if they want to watch all your races (instead of watching your GT race then something on SUnday).  It may also help bring in spectators who get bored real quick waiting through practice for the racing action to start.  For those that run several races a weekend, yes it will be tough on you (and your tire guys) but just think, at least on Saturday you should have time to sort out your machine(s) fully.And out here we can run less corner workers/crew into the ground duuring our 105 degree days.  I like this on paper but as with anything we will have to see when it happens.

[Jeff]

So, does anyone know for sure that these are going to be 1 day events or not?

In the midwest, yes I'd say they are correct since they coincide with LP sport rider days...

[ScubaSteve]

The SW region is going to be like this; Practice for racers and trackday for streeters on Saturday- no  racing on Saturday.  Sunday is racing with ( not sure about this yet) a possible one practice session per group.  Twin sprint weekends will be practice/track day on Friday and racinig Sat/Sun.  I think one benefit of this is for those racers who have friends or crew come out and help, they will only have to pay gate for one day if they want to watch all your races (instead of watching your GT race then something on SUnday).  It may also help bring in spectators who get bored real quick waiting through practice for the racing action to start.  For those that run several races a weekend, yes it will be tough on you (and your tire guys) but just think, at least on Saturday you should have time to sort out your machine(s) fully.And out here we can run less corner workers/crew into the ground duuring our 105 degree days.  I like this on paper but as with anything we will have to see when it happens.

  This is the same way we run it in Florida. Practice all day saturday and 1 practice session Sunday morning followed by racing all day. I like it because its hard for me to get off of work on a friday.

[Super Dave]

Yeah, with places like Topeka, all day practice on Sat, races on Sunday.  Helps at least try to pay for the event.  Might be less than ideal when comparing to some events, but the event has to survive.