So I'm on my way home...

[xlr8tn]

exit the toll rd. and prepare to merge, when this guy runs right into the back of my brand new '03 R6.  :o
(only 300 miles on it)

Sure glad I was close to the line on the right hand side of the road, otherwise I would have been on his hood.  

Damage is minimal, think the left rear peg snapped and hit me in the leg.

Guess I'll have to race it now.

-brent

[r6_philly]

gee that sucks man, glad you not hurt.

gee that even sucks more that you going to be on a new bike next year...

I am picking one up next week, and I am not going to put 1 mile on the street. straight to racebike

You going ex?

[xlr8tn]

sure thing...EX next season.  Not sure how much I will run.  Mostly due to house-hunting.  How are you going to break-in your engine.  Much better to do that on the street and get it over the 1000 mile mark.

-brent

[smoke]

Sorry to hear.  Glad U are ok!!  congrats on the years events. But whast about the 98 gix parts?

If u want more house and land look up here in frederick MD. We just got our place up here about a week ago and its sweet.

[r6_philly]

I am going to take the bike out in all 3 groups at summit point track day this weekend and ride a various speeds and skip every other rotation. By the end of the day I should have about 200 miles. Then do it again the next year, try to get 5-600 miles out of the bike. Then maybe send the motor off and get it built. Then do another track day to break in the built motor. then I will be ready for daytona once more. :)

[Super Dave]

Break it in on the track.  Manufacturers want you to break it in slowly because they want you to get used to the feel of the bike.  You'll never see Rich Doan breaking in any Yosh bikes on the street.  You'll never get the ring seal with the way a manufacturer has you break it in.

[xlr8tn]

I am going to take the bike out in all 3 groups at summit point track day this weekend and ride a various speeds and skip every other rotation. By the end of the day I should have about 200 miles. Then do it again the next year, try to get 5-600 miles out of the bike. Then maybe send the motor off and get it built. Then do another track day to break in the built motor. then I will be ready for daytona once more. :)

Dafan, what kind of work would you have done on a brand new engine.  My GSXR was broken in as my street bike and has never been opened (engine).  What costs are you looking at and what would your expected hp gain be.  Are you getting the R6?

[Super Dave]

I'll chime in a bit...

I think a good supersport build costs probably between $1500 to $2000, plus parts.

I never really look for a dramatic HP gain, but a gain in acceleration.  

As an expert, I have shown up at Daytona with bikes with zero miles on them.  Did that in 2001 with my GSXR600.  We were flogging it on the dyno already when it had 28 miles on it.  Yes, it was competitive.  Didn't use a Power Commander on it, ever, really.

Yeah, you'll be a little more gentle the first two times out, but eventually, by the third session, I'm wide open.  Do some oil changes to get all the flakey material out.  Engines have been plateau honed for years, and with the new chrome bores, they are pretty much ready to go.  Metals don't have the strangeness of old metalurgy either.  

A bike broken in with "street methods" may never get enough heat in it to really seat the rings.  And once that's done, it won't seal up the same way.  

Make sense?

[sdiver68]

Ahhh the great break-in debate, debated in cycle and car forums ad nauseum for years, and in clubs before that.

However, it is generally agreed that 1000 miles is  much to long, and following the RPM limit advice may not allow the rings to seal.  I prefer a couple hundred miles, with several complete cool downs in between, and occasional runs up to redline after the first hundred.  Fresh oil change and voila, ready to go.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

     I bought my '96 GSXR 750 new, rode it 100 miles on the street, got re-called for the pistons lightly hitting the head. The pistons, rings, and head gastket were all replaced by Suzuki, the bike was then taken directly into racing. Raced it about 6000 miles without any mechanical problems and the bike was really fast the entire time. Only modifications were a full exhaust, carb kit, and air filter.

     My '99 GSXR 600 was taken directly to the track without any street miles on it. Same modifications as 750.

     My '02 GSXR 750 has been riden on the street for this season, but has never been on the track yet. Modifications include full exhaust, Power commander, air filter.

     I personally have never had any internal performance modifications done on any of my bikes, yet on my '96 GSXR 750 I rarely ever had someone that could out accelerate me on it.

[r6_philly]

Dave is right, a supersport job costs around 1500-2000, don't expect to see big HP gains, but the accelaration, or time-to-power, is grealy improved. that is what I am looking at. I don't want a bike built to the teeth, because I don't want to have to freshen it 4 times a year. I want it to go through 1 year, then I have the winter to play with it.

I guess my planned break-in method kinda fit everyone's thought. Ride it progressively faster on the track, let it cool down completely every hour or so, then wide open by the second day.

Then its parts and mods time.

I happen to have a question that you guys may be able to answer:

Is total loss bikes allowed in FUSA Sportbike?

I am going to read the rule book now, but just don't want to misunderstand it.

[Super Dave]

Yeah, I believe so.  

Trick with the R6 is the weight.  On a light tank, I'm down pretty close to the bottom for weight.

As for engine building...

4&6 did my R6 this year before I ever did anything to it.  Never even started it until they had went through the motor and put it together.

If you're gonna do it, now is the time to do it.  Everyone's looking for work.  No rush.  Probably a good deal to be had.