How much for #6?

[Jeff]

and why is this of any relevence today?

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Man, don't get me started....

[EX#996]

Man, don't get me started....

I'm sure we can find this discussion every year.  All you need to do is a search in the system.

BTW, the new search feature rocks in comparison to the old one.   

8)

[unforgivenracing]

Its not......

But I wanted to put a close to this blog before deleating it.

but now your here.  

This all started with the simple fact that Chuck ran a points game on everyone when he was at the track, by running one or two laps in a bunch of stuff, He was only compedent in formula 40.  and when he could'nt carry points from other stuff over towards that to further cheat, he stopped racing.  and this was a big reason why people can get ahead in a season now.  

[EX#996]

 

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Cheating?  It's all there in the rulebook.  Want a championship?  Grab your sack, work 20 hours a day, go three, four days a week without sleep, buy low to repair and sell high, stop eating, drive all over the country on Red Bull and Hydroxycut, race when you're injured, ill, too broke to get home, or so sleep deprived that your skin feels like it has bugs crawling on it.  Beg borrow or steal whatever you can't afford to buy.  Count points like they're gold, always knowing that one crash or irreprable mechanical problem could make all the time, money and hard work have been for nothing.  Do all this better than the four or five other guys on the same mission, then go to the banquet, collect your championships, and laugh in the faces of all the whiny little Nancies who want to call it cheating!
Lemme give you some phone numbers of all the other guys who sing this song.  You can all go form a whine tasting club.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

nope, it was in 2000. 

I was there too, and it was his sholder (turn one) I think...

I think it was the start of the race or he was just getting on the track for pratice.

Either way, his un-used pit garage would have been useful for something other then storage that weekend.

Space was so limited, he would have got his rent money back easy!    So, " " to that!

The incident I told you about is accurate, Chuck was on his Honda (I think it was a 900RR?) at that time, not his GSXR. I know it was '98 because in '99 I had a bike problem immediately at the start of the event, and I didn't return to another ROC until '03.

[Jeff]

BTW, the new search feature rocks in comparison to the old one.  

Why thank you!  Yes, I REALLY like it as it's concise and FAST.

[Jeff]

Am I the only one who read the new points arrangement and rules which would basically PROHIBIT what this thread was based upon?

You want a championship in 2006, you'd better work your ass off for it because that's the only way you're gonna get it.

Can you still "buy" a championship?  Well, if you have enough money to quit work and practice constantly to improve your times, and then have a couple of bikes to ensure that no crash keeps you from competing.  Then, yes.

Other than that, you'd better bring your "A" game to every grid...

[unforgivenracing]

It took long enough for someone to "get it"!

I think they pretty much missed the hole point of where I was getting at.

[unforgivenracing]

#1) Did it ever accure to you to think that he falls of his bike alot!
#2) That you where not there in 2000.
#3) That you have no real idea what point I was tring to get accross.

Three years ago.....
A guy with time to waist and the money to burn, could run a Points game.  And apply them to his overall standing in Formula 40, and some other races.  Why else would he ALWAYS run ONLY one or two laps in so many different races.

The rule that allowed this pratice changed.  No more back door, no more Mr.C
It was a good move on the part of CCS.  

Too bad it took so long to see it.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

#1) Did it ever accure to you to think that he falls of his bike alot!
#2) That you where not there in 2000.
#3) That you have no real idea what point I was tring to get accross.

I wasn't trying to argue with you, I was simply stating a fact that Chuck had crashed and broken himself trying to pass me at Daytona as well, a couple years before he stopped following the series (Chuck has raced since he 'retired' though). I didn't see anywhere in this thread where you mentioned anything about 2000, did I miss that somewhere? I understand what you were trying to get across in this thread, but I also agree (like K3) that Chuck was following the rules as stated in the CCS rulebook, because CCS allowed the situation of being able to buy championships, it certainly wasn't Chucks fault. There were lots of discussions in the past how CCS was the ones who left it the way it was because it encouraged more people to try for regional number plates (which means CCS making more $$$$ by having more classes entered by more people), those that benefited by that previous points system will have absolutely no chance with the new system.

But don't think that the new system is perfect either, because it has serious issues as well. I argued my point to Kevin Elliot in an E-mail when I read the proposal for the change before the 2006 season started, but never posted it here, I will give some of the flaws I pointed out (and yes, I did suggest a different better system at the same time). Class size is a HUGE factor in regional championships now, the bigger the classes you run in, the worse you can do and come out still looking good - even when finishing poorly. Anyone running in smaller classes or the Unlimited classes gets screwed by the new system in the event they don't win, as was the case with Ed Key at Road America when he was beat in Lightweight Supersport by a national rider not involved in the MW regional points championship. That 2nd place cost Ed by only giving him a .857 Performance Index for that class due to only 7 people being in it, (that PI gets averaged in to his other finishes and drags down his overall PI). Ironically at that same event in the Middleweight version of that race there were 36 competitors, the 1st 16 finishing positions were all MW and GP racers potentially going for those regional championships, and the 2nd place finisher got a .972 PI. Multiplying the PI and points together the MWSS 2nd place finisher got apx 35 points, but Ed got 30.85 for his 2nd place finish in his race. This is just 1 class at 1 race, taking this into account over the season shows how it's effects compound rapidly, Ed has the highest PI of the Top 10 racers in the MW region, yet he is in 4th place.

I pointed out before the season started that the majority of the Top 10 points earners would end up being racers in the Middleweight classes (with Heavyweight riders following them and Ed Key somewhere in there as well) due to flaws in the new system. As of today Middleweight racers have positions 1,2,3,5,6,7, Ed Key (Lightweight dominator) has 4th, and 8,9, & 10th position are Heavyweight racers. I'm an extremely analytical person, to me all of this immediately seemed overly obvious that it would happen. It was easy to see that there wouldn't be any Unlimited or Lightweight riders able to earn a Top 10 plate (unless they won almost every race they entered - like Ed), it's almost impossible to achieve with this new system.