What is up with these poor updates?

[r6_philly]

maybe there is nothing we can do to fix the problem. Last year I proposed to build a db-driven website to post results and points, and it went as far as I built a proto-type, gave them a general agreement, and only to be told later that the legal department "does not think this is the right time to do this".

I did not want money, I just want to build a site, improve the CCS web presence, attract the racers, and then generate revenue and recoup resources by advertising or other services to members.

All I wanted from CCS was a electric OR paper copy of the results, and I would have it entered into database and keep track of points and have it available for all. I also would have it that results gets posted 24 hours after I receive them.

My business does web apps. They asked for references, I spent time building a proto-site. It would nice to have had a conversation about their concerns and worked it out, or just a real reason before dumping everything down the drain. That does not encourage anyone else to want to conduct business with CCS/CCE. Apparently they are dealing with customers the same way, could have guessed.

[slclark65]

Am I the only one that countecd up the events and the way I see, if you count all the cross over events that both orgainizations have, I come up with WERA having more events with less staff in the office.  I believe the staff at WERA works 5-6 hour days with 4 people.  CCS works 7-8 hour days with 4 - 5 people.  

If this is incorrect, please let me know.

[ecumike]

Dafan,
In the words of Nike... why not 'just do it' ?

If you and/or others are willing to make the site, just put it up. No need for CCS's approval.  All ya gotta do is get someone from each region to take a digital camera and take snapshots of the results from the races and send them to you. Then you can enter them into your DB, and you got it.

I'm sure you could probably commandeer at least 1 person from each event to take photos of the results... especially if it meant next/2-day turnaround for posting of results.

Then your (or whoever's) site could turn into the 'official unofficial' results page,  just as Shawn's board here has turned into the 'official unofficial' CCS forum.

Thoughts?

[THE_D.O.C.]

gay medic, you are a cool guy. but dang, your posts take too long to read. i believe you simply because of your conviction.  ;D

[r6_philly]

Dafan,
In the words of Nike... why not 'just do it' ?

If you and/or others are willing to make the site, just put it up. No need for CCS's approval.  All ya gotta do is get someone from each region to take a digital camera and take snapshots of the results from the races and send them to you. Then you can enter them into your DB, and you got it.

I'm sure you could probably commandeer at least 1 person from each event to take photos of the results... especially if it meant next/2-day turnaround for posting of results.

Then your (or whoever's) site could turn into the 'official unofficial' results page,  just as Shawn's board here has turned into the 'official unofficial' CCS forum.

Thoughts?

I didn't do it without CCS because I was going to be able to get results unless I show up at a weekend. And some races were not final when I leave.

Another issue was scanned/digital photos may not OCR quite nicely, and hand/physical inspections will be required. At the time I was offering it for free, and I didn't know I could do it within the timeline or not.

Also if CCS does not post the final results (lets say a protest was initiated and results final after everyone leaves) that would cause the points total to be inaccurate, and either we have to audit it against an official copy, or it would be pretty much useless.

If CCS is kind enough to provide me with a spreadsheet from their computer the monday after each event, I can run a "unofficial site".

I will ask Tiffiney about it, if it is doable, I will have a site up for all our racers for the 2004 season.

The main reason I wanted to do a db-driven site is: your results would be linked to your identity. So each person can query the results/records of anyone without doing much research (ie. going back and forth between html docs like CCS does it now).

There will also be space for each person to post his/her info, pics, reports and such related to each event they enter.

I am still willing to put up the effort, space, resources and work to do this. So if you guys think it would be a good thing, I will try it again with CCS and have it for the 04 season.

[GAMEDIC]

gay medic, you are a cool guy. but dang, your posts take too long to read. i believe you simply because of your conviction.  ;D

LOL...thanks ;D but really what slclark65 said is 100% correct...see i can count....so CCS what is the problem?..you have been given many suggestions and ideas to fix the problem....why can't it get done?.. i mean i'm not knocking any one single person...but somone is making the choice not to fix it...i mean hell if you are not sure how to get it done call Sean over at WERA...he seems to have his shit together in getting things posted...do something!!!!!!

[slclark65]

Thanks GAMEDIC.  I'm glad I am not the only one that can count.  I just hate to sit back and watch you guys get shafted with the lies about this matter.  It just seems like it is getting worse and worse and I hate to see it happen to you guys.

[tzracer]

The comparison between WERA and CCS website was covered before. WERA runs their own website, CCS does not, the site that has CCS info on it, is run by CCE. CCS sends info to CCE, it gets posted when CCE decides to post it.

[SliderPhoto]

Dafan, I did part of what you are describing last year for the GL, GP, and MW regions--a database driven points and stat pages organized by rider. But as you know, the data is only as timely or accurate as what you receive from CCS. I too offered do it for all regions this year. The offer fell on deaf ears. I've learned my lesson, I no longer offer. My time is valuable, I hate seeing the riders cheated but now I go where I get some respect.

[CCS]

Just thought I'd help with the math.

2/8-9      TGPR
2/15-16      NPR
2/22-23      NFMP 2-27-28 (Vintage)
3/15-16      VIR
3/22-23      Roebling Rd
3/29-30      NFMP NCS
4/12-13      CMP NCS
4/19-20      TWS /
4/19-20     Summit
4/26-27      TGPR
5/3-4      Putman
5/10-11      NNS NCS
5/17-18      Grattan
5/24-25      VIR NCS
5/31-6/1      NFMP
5/31-6/1      Putnam
6/7-8      Roebling  
6/7-8      Summit Pt
6/21-22      Nelson
6/21-22     TGPR NCS
6/28-29      Barber
7/5-6      Rd Atlanta
7/12-13      Nelson
7/12-13     NFMP
7/19-20      Grattan NCS      
8/2-3      Summit NCS
8/2-3      Roebling
8/9-10      Putnam      
8/23-24      VIR
8/23-24      Grattan
8/23-24      TGPR
8/30-31      Hallet NCS
9/6-7      CMP
9/13-14      Barber NCS
9/20-21      Summit-SC
10/4-5      NFMP
10/11-12      NNS
10/25-26      GNF NCS

38 total WERA events

1      2/1-2      Streets
2      2/8-9      Homestead*
3      2/8-9      Oak Hill(RRS)
4      2/22-23      Oak Hill
5      2/28-3-2      Daytona
6      3/15-16      Firebird East
7      3/15-16      Moroso
8      3/15-16      TWS
9      3/29-30      Roebling Road*
10      4/5-6      Thunderhill
11      4/5-6      B H F*
12      4/5-6      NFMP
13      4/12-13      Firebird East
14      4/12-13      VIR
15      4/25-27      Road Am 4/25-27
16      4/26-27      NHIS
17      5/2-4      Summit
18      5/3-4      NFMP
19      5/3-4      Mtrsprt Rnch
20      5/10-11       BHF
21      5/10-11       LVCRC
22      5/17-18      Gngrmn
23      5/17-18      NHIS
24      5/24-25      Hallet
25      5/23-25      Mid-AM
26      5/25-26       Moroso
27      5/31-6/1      Streets
28      5/31-6/1      B H F
29      5/30-6/1      Shenandoah Cir.
30      6/7-8      NHIS
31      6/13-15       Gateway
32      6/14-16      Roebling Road
33      6/14-17      TWS
34      6/14-18      NHIS (E)
35      6/21-22      Homestead
36      6/27-29      VIR*
37      6/28-29      Oak Hill
38      7/5-6      ButtonWillow
39      7/4-6      Mid-AM
40      7/5-6      NHIS
41      7/11-13      Summit
42      7/19-20      B H F
43      7/19-20      Moroso
44      7/19-20      Hallett
46      7/26-27      NHIS
47      7/26-27      Roebling Road
47      8/1-3      Las Vegas
49      8/8-10      Heartland Park*
50      8/16-17      Thunderhill
51      8/16-17      NHIS
52      8/16-17      Barber Motorsport
53      8/23-24      B H F
54      8/23-24      Moroso
55      8/30-31      NHIS
56      9/5-7      Summit*
57      9/6-7      B H F  
58      9/6-7      NFMP
59      9/6-7      TWS
60      9/12-14      Gateway
61      9/20-21      Moroso
62      9/27-28      NHIS
63      9/27-28      Oak Hill
64      9/27-28      VIR
65      9/27-28      Gngrmn
66      9/27-28      Firebird
67      10/4-5      Thunderhill
68      10/3-5      Gateway
69      10/10-12      Summit
70      10/11-12      Mtrsprt Rnch
71      10/15-19      Daytona
72      11/1-2      ButtonWillow
73      11/15-16      Firebird East
74      11/29-30      Streets
75      12/6-7      Homestead*

75 total CCS events

[slclark65]

Kevin,

Have things changed since I left.  Are you guys doing the points for the CMRA and Loudon these days?  If so, then I guess I was mistaken.  

[CCS]

Yes Stacey, things have changed.

All I was doing was helping with the total number of events in a format you could read and count, instead of the broken up regional schedules they were using to count events where some events on both schedules are listed 3-4 times.

As far as numbers go, in events run by Fort Worth we have processed 12037 entries in 19 events while WERA has 6733 entries in 17 events. Add in our sanctioned partners and the entry total for the 28 events exceeds 16000.

As I have stated in the past, if you need results and they are not posted yet, just e-mail me and we will send you your own copy of the html to you as soon as they are processed.