Passing under waving yellow?

[Jeff]

If I get a hand up or a foot out and then slow down, you better be able to avoid me.  If you "punt me into next week" you are riding over your head and out of control.  

Not necessarily...  They're just used to racing with predictable people, and the behavior you mentioned is not predictable.

It's like having someone check-up when they see the blue flag.  Although that is somewhat more predictable...

Don't you folks get it??  This is a hobby.  If your riding endangers your life or much worse, someone elses life, you need to find something else to do on the weekends.

Racing by nature has its risks.  I endanger my life and your's by participating, as you do to me and everyone else.  However, we (hopefully) all try to mitigate the risks as best we can by understanding ourselves, each other and trying to have a common knowledge of the rules and appropriate behavior.

Coming out of T7 at BHF wide, lifting a hand and then cutting across to pit road is sheer insanity, and it's no different from what you mentioned.  Yet I'd guess you wouldn't consider doing that because you'd be "punted into next week" by an "over-active ego riding over his head and out of control" right?

I do urge you to be as safe and cautious as possible, but it's like those people who come down the on-ramp of the highway and then STOP at the bottom because there was traffic and they were afraid to merge.  Stay the speed of traffic and you'll be fine!  Significantly differ yourself (above OR below) from the speed of traffic (and yes, this is applying to racing as well as highway merging) and you're asking for problems.

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I don't feel that I induce any unnecessary risks in my racing; however, I am hoping to gain your understanding of my points here.

In racing, it's fine to be "nice", but (1), it'll cost you places and (2) could actually do more harm than good...

If your thought is that people who keep the race pace under waving yellow (without passing people or losing control) have "over-active ego's", then you've just identified a very high percentage of the people you will be racing with.

[dave333]

They're just used to racing with predictable people

Coming out of T7 at BHF wide, lifting a hand and then cutting across to pit road is sheer insanity, and it's no different from what you mentioned.  Yet I'd guess you wouldn't consider doing that because you'd be "punted into next week" by an "over-active ego riding over his head and out of control" right?

So, none of the predictable people ever need to get off race pace?  I have ridden behind an expert who was in the race line, putting along and adjusting his clutch lever.  Using your logic (or lack thereof) I can "punt him into next week" and go home proud? Fer shame, fer shame...  

Did I say anything about riding erratically or cutting from the left side of the track to the pit entrance after t7 at BHF?  You are doing a poor job of putting words into my mouth.  

Jeffy, I truly hope you don't speak for the rest of the field.  I hope you get your trophy or plaque or whatever, along with a fully adjustable CRAFTMATIC bed.  Looks to me as though you are likely to need it...

[tshort]

Hey Ladies....  Sheesh.  

The problem with common sense is it ain't all that common.

I got dinged for passing a 125 GP bike going into T1 when a waving yellow came out.  Spoke with the ref about it afterward, and explained that I was carrying a bunch of speed, had already set him up for the pass, saw the flag, and decided I could safely carry past him without going so hard into the turn as to risk a get off (and thus hit the guy laying in the grass).

The ref said it was a bit borderline, but he understood.  He also said common sense is the guide.  

[dave333]

From another race organization:

YELLOW FLAG: A) When held stationary-indicates a potentially dangerous situation near the track or a slower moving motorcycle. B) When waved vigorously-indicates a hazard or obstacle on the track, avoidance maneuvers may be necessary. Exercise extreme caution, slow your speed until past the situation. Passing for position under a waving yellow flag is NOT allowed and the offending rider will be assessed a penalty.

 ;D ;D ;D

[Jeff]

Dave, I'm truly sorry you seem to have taken such a great offense to my points.  That certainly wasn't the intent.  (and if saying you appear to be offended is putting words into your mouth, allow me to apologize now)

I'll drop the topic.  If you'd be interested in discussing it more, drop by sometime at my pit, or call me any eve 262-246-8589.

Kind regards...

[dave333]

Dave, I'm truly sorry you seem to have taken such a great offense to my points.

Jeff,

The "points" I hear from you and Eddie are the same ones I hear from the Factory racers about Privateers.  They are continually complaining about how the privateers are too slow, ride erratically and don't belong out on the track.  Didn't I just read a while back on RRW about Factory racers punching and kicking the slower AMA riders on the track?

Is that where club racing is at?

I sincerely hope you all have a tremendous season and y'all leave the track in one piece.  Ride smart, ride safe.  We all have families and jobs to return to after the racing is done.