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ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« on: August 19, 2014, 10:17:27 am »
I'm tossing around the idea of representing Honda in this class. (God knows it's needed ) :ass:


Currently, I'm a mid-packer 'I' rider at track days (vtr1000F, old & slow like me).
I've never raced before.


I'm old. I'm tall. I'm not skinny. But, this class sounds like fun.


CCS allows mods and it allows the 300. If I bring a CBR250 to the track, it's not fair from the get-go.
The CBR is down 8-ish bhp (or more). Down 10-20mph (or more) on top speed (I'd get crushed at RA).


The gentlemen agree not to split the cases and fiddle with stuff.
Would the gentlemen in the MW be offended if I did a 305cc kit? Just to get close to equaling the performance and bring the brand war to the 1/4 Liter's?




Thoughts?
Would team green be skeered?



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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 12:12:14 pm »
and after looking around....the kit + pipe + Fi mod + tuning = $1000?
net is around 7bhp (w/o doing the cams)
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2014, 01:53:38 pm »
Do it and then firggin pin it! The 250 gentlemen (and ladies) need some more competition anway. I think they're getting soft. I got your back if they get offended lol  :thumb:
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2014, 02:04:40 pm »
Yeah! Carl will just whack 'em with his crutch :kicknuts:
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2014, 08:39:31 pm »
Great, Spoot is here now...

Go KTM!
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2014, 09:09:33 pm »
Now we need a new class just for Spoot, Formula Ice Cream. :lmao:


Btw I thought honda said the cbr300 is coming this spring?
« Last Edit: August 19, 2014, 09:11:28 pm by Woofentino Pugrossi »
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 12:40:57 am »
Great, Spoot is here now...

Go KTM!
I've been here for 3 years !
 :spank:






sounds like reliability would be an issue as well.
Millenium Tech here in Wi had a kit, but lost a head gasket on development bike.
Takewaga has a kit...but, I'm thinking all this may not be worth it. cost -vs- return -vs- grenade.
:(




The cbr300 should be in showrooms this month, btw.
I wonder how long before one shows up on crashedtoy or copart?
« Last Edit: August 20, 2014, 12:58:55 am by spoot »
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2014, 08:20:23 pm »
The gentleman's agreement has evolved a bit down south. After two teams expressed interest in running outside of spec, we (the riders NOT CCS) split ourselves up into two groups, those who want to modify and those who choose to remain spec. While I believe that the money spent modifying a 250 is better spent on a GP bike or an SV, this set up seems to be working well. One of the teams has two bikes and runs both. ULTB on the moded bike, and GTUL (also know in Florida as 250 Spec) on the Spec bike.

This way everyone gets a chance to race a fair race. The spec guys and girls get the machine parity, low cost to campaign, and simplicity to enforce. While the Modified 300 ULTB guys and girls get their thrills out of seeing how much faster they can make their bike.

On a side note, we have a couple of Honda 250s which run Spec with us. We do allow them to run Race fuel due to the fact that they are down a little bit on power. Both are competitive. One of them is ridden by the tallest member of our group who is well over 6' tall and over 200 lbs.







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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2014, 01:03:10 am »
found some vids with Ari Henning. Race-prepped a CBR.
head work, suspension, "special" power commander, full pipe,  u4.4. He got 27.5 bhp.



race trim. full exhaust, bazzaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fVnxNo9aPA




head work, special power-commander, race fuel, suspension
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDmV3RDsSUw


some podium finishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRwwGCxwiro

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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 08:57:33 pm »
Spoot the Honda would get crushed out there, even on the warm up lap. Do yourself a favor and get a Kawi if your going to run this class. I've put many together and for about $3000 you can have a competitive bike with 28hp. Or spend a bunch and build the scat out of a Honda and see how it stacks up...
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 07:27:18 am »


new to the forums and just started trolling around.

I AM curious to know if there's a preference to what model / generation people are racing on the ninja 250 class? I just wanted to toss a post in and hopefully someone can chime in or even PM me their thoughts and/or suggestions.
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2014, 05:43:49 pm »
found some vids with Ari Henning. Race-prepped a CBR.
head work, suspension, "special" power commander, full pipe,  u4.4. He got 27.5 bhp.



race trim. full exhaust, bazzaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fVnxNo9aPA




head work, special power-commander, race fuel, suspension
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDmV3RDsSUw


some podium finishes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRwwGCxwiro
Sounds like the chassis is quite an upgrade compared to the Ninja. But badly outmotored, even after heavy modification.
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2014, 05:56:35 pm »
Just buy ours and your done!
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2014, 04:02:40 pm »
Spoot - run the ninja, keep it cheap and simple, trust me racing ANYTHING will put a huge smile on your face
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2014, 10:20:44 pm »
Great, Spoot is here now...

I'm here too!  :thumb:
 
Spoot would never forgive himself if he started bleeding Kawi green!
 
 
If you guys aren't too skeerd we would build a 70s CB350 to clean house. Just have to get used to racing a motorcycle that has a frame made out of wet noodles.  :biggrin:
« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 10:37:15 pm by Tammy259 »
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2014, 02:09:39 pm »
Just buy ours and your done!
what do you have for me??

I saw a pair of CBR's in MI for $1800 on CL. Both have cosmetic damage, one had bent forks.
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I AM curious to know if there's a preference to what model / generation people are racing on the ninja 250 class? I just wanted to toss a post in and hopefully someone can chime in or even PM me their thoughts and/or suggestions.

for ninja's - 2008 and newer. They have 17" wheels, so you can get modern/good rubber. After that, you can just run it.


@bruce71198 - I hear ya. All logic tells me to do a ninja. My 'winning red' blood says CBR.


and about the Ice Cream....I did just deliver 20 pints of Culvers (variety of flavors) to give away, for the RRW Air Fence fund-raiser last night....just because :)
« Last Edit: August 31, 2014, 02:11:15 pm by spoot »
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2014, 05:28:07 pm »
what do you have for me??

I saw a pair of CBR's in MI for $1800 on CL. Both have cosmetic damage, one had bent forks.
No reply from poster.


for ninja's - 2008 and newer. They have 17" wheels, so you can get modern/good rubber. After that, you can just run it.


@bruce71198 - I hear ya. All logic tells me to do a ninja. My 'winning red' blood says CBR.


and about the Ice Cream....I did just deliver 20 pints of Culvers (variety of flavors) to give away, for the RRW Air Fence fund-raiser last night....just because :)



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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2014, 06:28:36 pm »


 

 
 
If you guys aren't too skeerd we would build a 70s CB350 to clean house. Just have to get used to racing a motorcycle that has a frame made out of wet noodles.  :biggrin:

Tammy, you bring your 350, I'll bring my 250 and we'll see who's cleaning who's house...
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2014, 10:24:32 pm »
Ha!  Spot is back!
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2014, 12:06:46 pm »
^ you shush it, Mister!  :ass:




So...I found a (potential) Honda. 250cc. 4-stroke. v-twin. 'slightly' modern. 26-27bhp. pipe/jet might get 6 more?
Suspension is weak. Tires are a bit skinny and the selection isn't as nice as the n250/n300/cbr250.
comes in white with light blue & pink accents.


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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2014, 02:44:19 pm »
Either way Spot, we know how to make you finish last each race. We know your weakness.

We'll put one of these at main gate...


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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2014, 03:37:50 pm »
I would just dump the bike at the gate and enjoy a smooth one while watching everyone zip by  :pop:
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2014, 03:45:22 pm »
^ you shush it, Mister!  :ass:

I thought about one of those, V-twin, might make a good racer. Funky brakes, enclosed rotrs or something strange if I recall.


So...I found a (potential) Honda. 250cc. 4-stroke. v-twin. 'slightly' modern. 26-27bhp. pipe/jet might get 6 more?
Suspension is weak. Tires are a bit skinny and the selection isn't as nice as the n250/n300/cbr250.
comes in white with light blue & pink accents.


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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2014, 11:04:26 am »
@bruce71198
The 88-89 had the 'Inboard Disc', which is a cast iron rotor mounted on the perimeter of the disc (like a Buell) in 3 places. the disc is aligned in the center of the front wheel. The caliper is part of the 'rotor cover' and can only be removed/serviced by pulling the whole wheel out.

The '90 had a traditional disc, like most bikes. The wheel sizes are slightly better on the '90 as well.
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2014, 11:32:58 am »
Do racers run ninja 300's in the Midwest?
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Re: ULTB Midwest (Ninja 250's) question
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2014, 06:39:24 pm »
Do racers run ninja 300's in the Midwest?

yes, same class
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