unaltired vin rule

[benprobst]

You're wrong., kind sir.   

Edited for politeness sake. 

[benprobst]

It's in the general section that machines cannot be reduced in displacement to fit in a lower class.

WERA, CMRA, WSMC, and pretty much every other club allows it, as well as swapping frames and engines. But not CCS.

Correct about the Pierbon, however.

Ohh, CCS also allows custom frames. I know, becuase I have one of one ever built. :) it's legal in the right classes.

[sdiver68]

Gino and Apriliaman, respectfully I did not and would not cheat.  I only ran the bike in the GP classes and have had several independent confirmations of the bike's legality in those CCS classes.


I did research and consider several of the Ducati air cooled options.  I agree several of those options should be GP only.  I know some of the bikes which could be considered Superbike legal normally had engine swaps with the Monster 1100 EVO engine for reliability purposes.

[tipsy]

Lol I have no clue what yall are talkin about ..I just wanted to know if running a blank frame was ok or not ..

[Gino230]

You're wrong.

6.2 (C) Superbike Rules- "Reducing engine size of machines from stock displacement to meet lower class displacement limits is not allowed"

Same for Thunderbike.

WERA Superbike rules Sec 5 (a) In Superbike the original combination of frame and motor must be maintained except in the case of similar models with directly interchangeable engines.

[Gino230]

Lol I have no clue what yall are talkin about ..I just wanted to know if running a blank frame was ok or not ..

Sorry to hijack your thread. There are plenty of bikes running without VIN numbers. If you get a warranty frame, for example.

I have heard horror stories of police sweeps and such, but I've been doing this 15 years and have never actually seen one here in S. Florida. You never know, however.

Seems like if they went to the dirt bike track they would be much more productive....half of the dirtbikes for sale don't have titles!

[Gino230]

Gino and Apriliaman, respectfully I did not and would not cheat.  I only ran the bike in the GP classes and have had several independent confirmations of the bike's legality in those CCS classes.




I did research and consider several of the Ducati air cooled options.  I agree several of those options should be GP only.  I know some of the bikes which could be considered Superbike legal normally had engine swaps with the Monster 1100 EVO engine for reliability purposes.

I'm curious about this project.... I didn't see you at Daytona. I have been wanting to do this to a Ducati 748 for years....the guys at Altanta Triumph Ducati did it years ago to race in WERA. Basically a different Crank and you're done. These bikes can be found cheap nowadays!

It's also been done many times to the SV to get to the 600cc "D" limit. What did you have to do to the bike?

[benprobst]

6.2 (C) Superbike Rules- "Reducing engine size of machines from stock displacement to meet lower class displacement limits is not allowed"

Same for Thunderbike.

WERA Superbike rules Sec 5 (a) In Superbike the original combination of frame and motor must be maintained except in the case of similar models with directly interchangeable engines.

I know the rules. It appears you are confused.

[benprobst]

I'm curious about this project.... I didn't see you at Daytona. I have been wanting to do this to a Ducati 748 for years....the guys at Altanta Triumph Ducati did it years ago to race in WERA. Basically a different Crank and you're done. These bikes can be found cheap nowadays!

It's also been done many times to the SV to get to the 600cc "D" limit. What did you have to do to the bike?

He won all of his races with it. Bike ran great and Steve had perfect rides. There are 5 or 6 ways to get the the displacement limit. I think we found the right combination and it's been dreamy since I pressed the starter button.

[Gino230]

I know the rules. It appears you are confused.

Well, I'm quite certain about one thing.....

[apriliaman]

the x60r has no vin for street use as it is not a production street legal bike. Franks bike has an aftermarket frame. Other bikes like you say no vin # from other problems should be ok as it is an oem frame from a street legal bike.

[benprobst]

Well, I'm quite certain about one thing.....

What am I missing here. You're telling us we are illegal and that CCS let us in the wrong classes. Yet we broke no rules. We won our races and had no protests. You quote rules that have nothing to do with what you are accusing us of, then don't answer the issue.

We broke no rules with our 565.