CCS Homestead

[leeroy996]

I find the bigger bike tends to spin more progressively than these air cooled twins.  There's a little bit of rear tire action all of the time, not just one big hit to scare you. The torque low in the revs can make them step out abruptly.

[tug296]

Which factory will be first to offer a 7th. gear in their upcoming models?

[roadracer162]

That's an awesome history Gino of not crashing. I seem to have a big crash every three years. First in 2003 when I first tried racing, 2007 with 9 ribs, and then 2010 when I broke my scaphoid and thumb. Of course my Ortho told me I would probably lose my thumb.

Gino- I seem to remember an article that I read comparing the telemetry of Carlos Checa compared to his then team mate and the other Ducati WSBK riders. With those results they reported Checa getting on the gas earlier but later to WOT. He was the faster as far as lap times. I would venture to speculate that he didn't use full throttle because of the traction control and he would give just enough throttle to get to but not bump against the traction control. At the times I have been on track with you I can close in on the brake. You seem to hold the brake lever longer than me.

One thing I have learned with the twin is closing the throttle allows the bike to rotate in the turn before cracking it back open. Not a lot of braking needed.

[roadracer162]

Gino- apparently I was part of one of Chris' ploys to get to you. He asked me if I would beat you in thunder bike on one of those races and he was holding the bets. Something about dinner?

[MELK-MAN]

Which factory will be first to offer a 7th. gear in their upcoming models?

i don't know, but i could have used it at Homestead ! :) I think part of the issue was not practicing with the c12 race fuel. the few extra hp had it running through the gears faster.. i usually never practice with pump.

[MELK-MAN]

That's an awesome history Gino of not crashing. I seem to have a big crash every three years. First in 2003 when I first tried racing, 2007 with 9 ribs, and then 2010 when I broke my scaphoid and thumb. Of course my Ortho told me I would probably lose my thumb.

Gino- I seem to remember an article that I read comparing the telemetry of Carlos Checa compared to his then team mate and the other Ducati WSBK riders. With those results they reported Checa getting on the gas earlier but later to WOT. He was the faster as far as lap times. I would venture to speculate that he didn't use full throttle because of the traction control and he would give just enough throttle to get to but not bump against the traction control. At the times I have been on track with you I can close in on the brake. You seem to hold the brake lever longer than me.

One thing I have learned with the twin is closing the throttle allows the bike to rotate in the turn before cracking it back open. Not a lot of braking needed.

turning the bike.. one reason to NOT be afraid of higher rpm's with these twins. Don't just use 1 gear higher and roll through with super low rpm.
1: you have to use more front brake to slow for the corner
2: it won't turn as well for said corner

Also, i think lee touched on it earlier, higher rpm with these things seem to snap the rear out of shape LESS than perhaps lower rpm just as it gets into the meat of the torque. RMP can sometimes be your own traction control.

[Gino230]

That's an awesome history Gino of not crashing. I seem to have a big crash every three years. First in 2003 when I first tried racing, 2007 with 9 ribs, and then 2010 when I broke my scaphoid and thumb. Of course my Ortho told me I would probably lose my thumb.

Gino- I seem to remember an article that I read comparing the telemetry of Carlos Checa compared to his then team mate and the other Ducati WSBK riders. With those results they reported Checa getting on the gas earlier but later to WOT. He was the faster as far as lap times. I would venture to speculate that he didn't use full throttle because of the traction control and he would give just enough throttle to get to but not bump against the traction control. At the times I have been on track with you I can close in on the brake. You seem to hold the brake lever longer than me.

One thing I have learned with the twin is closing the throttle allows the bike to rotate in the turn before cracking it back open. Not a lot of braking needed.

Yeah well before that, I crashed 6 times in 5 years- two concussions and lots of aches and pains that lasted a surprisingly long time. So I've been alot more cautious since then.

Greg I'm going to try the higher RPM trick in a few spots and see how it works. Of course if I don't start braking later I'll be way too slow at the entry / apex. It takes a little courage to run it in there deep hoping that extra downshift gets you slowed enough to make it. I once heard that Jeff Wood intentionally overcooks corners in practice to see exactly how deep he can go- might not be a bad trick in some corners with paved runoff (i.e. turn 6?).

I know braking has always been one of my weak points, however this is also the riskiest part of the corner, trailing it in deep seems to be the place where most riders crash...Maybe this is why my luck has held out? Ha ha!

Yes Mark, I'm aware that I owe you dinner....one of these days we'll make it happen!

[roadracer162]

Hahaha funny Gino. I even gave you guys a head start when I stalled on the grid. That was one heck of a race for me watching you and Vito lead into turn one as I was sitting there at start finish.

Greg there is a fix for the gearing. It's the Cora's transmission but at $6k it's way beyond my meager budget.

I too will try the high RPM trick

[design-engine]

< Homestead race. I was still trying to figure out the track  I needed another day to get a faster laptime at homestead

< Fernando Ferreira Silva Crashes into the back of Greg Milka on the start of this Homestead race. Hospitals suck! he did 4 days.

[leeroy996]

< Homestead race. I was still trying to figure out the track  I needed another day to get a faster laptime at homestead

< Fernando Ferreira Silva Crashes into the back of Greg Milka on the start of this Homestead race. Hospitals suck! he did 4 days.

Nice!!  Greg and Barrett were on rains.  You past them both pretty quickly.

[roadracer162]

turning the bike.. one reason to NOT be afraid of higher rpm's with these twins. Don't just use 1 gear higher and roll through with super low rpm.
1: you have to use more front brake to slow for the corner
2: it won't turn as well for said corner

Also, i think lee touched on it earlier, higher rpm with these things seem to snap the rear out of shape LESS than perhaps lower rpm just as it gets into the meat of the torque. RMP can sometimes be your own traction control.

This makes good sense Greg. Using the high rpm and the throttle to modulate rear traction

[MELK-MAN]

This makes good sense Greg. Using the high rpm and the throttle to modulate rear traction

That's why that Keith Code guy called the book "Twist of the Wrist"    Throttle is good for lots of stuff.