Daytona my crash.....anybody get it on film???

[Gino230]

The regular Dunlop Ntec's we had from Homestead blistered and chunked on Chris' 1098 and the 748 after 4 laps. He didn't run Supertwins because the Daytona tires were so bad.

I've been using Pirellis for years now, we pushed them for 8 hours last year in the Moto ST race. The fronts are incredible, we changed them after 4 hours but no loss in grip- some of the other teams ran the fronts for the full 8 hours!

[MELK-MAN]

    Steve Brubaker   just getting rid of his old stock, what a BIG FAT A-HOLE.  I can't stand that guy.  That's why I'm riding on something  else next year....Pirelli, Bridgestone maybe

Yup.. it is always the tires fault when someone crashes. Not a Dunlop fan but give me a break!

[XFACTOR]

Yup.. it is always the tires fault when someone crashes. Not a Dunlop fan but give me a break!

I ran Dunlops all year Mr. Milkman, never did they feel like these "daytona tires" as agreed by other Dunlop riders....  but opinions are like a-holes and everybody's got one

[yzfrjim]

how old are the tires you are riding with milkman...are they several years old, does your tire provider give you a choice of rubber when the conditions don't meet the rubber that is brought down, like the super hard tires at daytona with dunlop..and they wouldn't mount anything else??,  maybe we are not as good as you on the track, but we do know when we crash if its our fault or the tires, or do we need sometype of special training for that.

[MELK-MAN]

how old are the tires you are riding with milkman...are they several years old, does your tire provider give you a choice of rubber when the conditions don't meet the rubber that is brought down, like the super hard tires at daytona with dunlop..and they wouldn't mount anything else??,  maybe we are not as good as you on the track, but we do know when we crash if its our fault or the tires, or do we need sometype of special training for that.

I was in Sunday Race 11  Unl. Superbike.  I lost the rear and low-sided in the kink between the two infield horseshoes. The bike is a mess, I just slid on my butt.    Oh yeah,...it was on the warm-up lap.   DUH

Nothing personal , I just get a kick out of racers that point fingers everywhere but at themselves when they crash. LOTS of racers got around Daytona this past weekend. Some crashed, but i have not heard a resounding "those damn tires made me crash".. My friend, You crashed on the warm up lap!! I could not point out a more novice mistake if i tried.. How is that the fault of the tire?? People do that with GOOD new sticky tires, ya just got to be careful with the conditions that were present at Daytona this year.. Green track from rain, 60+- Temps, Hard Daytona compound tires..etc. That is all im saying.. How bout man up and say .. i was silly for pushing hard on the warm up lap. I shoulda given it some time as i knew i was on a very hard tire and it was 60deg F outside. ?? I think potential sponsors would be much more impressed with that.

And for the record, i raced my gsxr1000 with 6 year old tires, Michelin had some cheap close out 16.5 slicks. AWESOME. Tires don't need to be fresh outa the oven to work well all the time.
Good luck with the tire brand switch.. will patiently await to see how that goes.

[XFACTOR]

as stated previously in this post....
I wasn't pushing on the warm-up lap, I had gone thru that corner one gear higher and much faster at race pace, hell I wasn't even accelerating when it happened, I was maintaining a constant speed.  I hadn't sat on the stand by lane waiting to get on the track either, the tire warmers had just come off. 


I've  had my share of crashes, and all (except this one) were my screw-ups one way or another. Your expecting something to be performing the way it has been, and then without warning it's gone. Dunlops (regular Dunlops) would always give a warning slide, even at race pace.

It must be easy to criticize and give opinions riding around with your arm in a sling on a scooter all day.  I wanna be just like you

[MELK-MAN]

as stated previously in this post....
I wasn't pushing on the warm-up lap, I had gone thru that corner one gear higher and much faster at race pace, hell I wasn't even accelerating when it happened, I was maintaining a constant speed.  I hadn't sat on the stand by lane waiting to get on the track either, the tire warmers had just come off. 


I've  had my share of crashes, and all (except this one) were my screw-ups one way or another. Your expecting something to be performing the way it has been, and then without warning it's gone. Dunlops (regular Dunlops) would always give a warning slide, even at race pace.

It must be easy to criticize and give opinions riding around with your arm in a sling on a scooter all day.  I wanna be just like you

your right.. I don't have a clue what im talking about and you have all the answers. Happy racing..

[XFACTOR]

not what I'm saying at all, I'm sure you are extremely knowledgeable and I know you have more seat time than me in racing..... but how do you make a statement like yours when you don't know me, never rode against me, never rode with me, or ever watched me race. You don't know me from "Adam".  You haven't the slightest clue if I'm erratic, smooth, or just a squid?   Next time you should know who your talking about, rather than generalizing, and drop the "God" complex.

[MELK-MAN]

Yup, you sure have me pegged, God complex and all. What was I thinking to assume that your riding could have had anything to do with a warm up lap crash on a 60deg F day on a green track.. It had to be the tires fault. Thank you for correcting me.

[XFACTOR]

Ah, ALL KNOWING MILKMAN..........again you don't know me, my experience, or my skill level. We happen to run very close lap times at V.I.R., so just because I have Amateur status and I don't have a #2 on my bike doesn't mean I'm in-experienced in different conditions,    I'm from up North, I've been on the track in Oct. and Nov. up here. I know what it's like to be on a cooling/cold track. I know what cold tire slides feel like......so gimme a break,       I do have you pegged     

[MELK-MAN]

Ah, ALL KNOWING MILKMAN..........again you don't know me, my experience, or my skill level. We happen to run very close lap times at V.I.R., so just because I have Amateur status and I don't have a #2 on my bike doesn't mean I'm in-experienced in different conditions,    I'm from up North, I've been on the track in Oct. and Nov. up here. I know what it's like to be on a cooling/cold track. I know what cold tire slides feel like......so gimme a break,       I do have you pegged     

      My friend, everyone reading this thread sees you for the class act you are. It has NOTHING to do with my third consecutive #2 plate or if im a rider that gets lapped 3 times in every race. Furthermore, I DONT CARE to know you, but when you call people names on a public forum, prepare to be called out for what likely REALLY happened.
      Right out of the gate you call a known tire distributor with YEARS of experience at Daytona a "big fat A-HOLE" on a public forum and spout "my tires suck, thats' why i crashed on the warm up lap" and form the conspiracy theory with another peson in this thread that Dunlop was just getting rid of old stock and put you in danger.. yet by some MIRACLE everyone else in the race managed to finish. My gosh, im getting my Sunday suit on right now as as i just realized it HAD to be divine intervention that saved all the other riders on that warm up lap.!!!  im sure Steve Bruebaker singled you out to give you the worst tires possible.. How unfortunate for you on that warm up lap. Can I have an AMEN Lord, for sparing everyone but the all knowing XFACTOR from crashing on the Dunlop tires..Thank you LORD!
      Lastly, somehow all your vast experience did not lead you to understand that AT DAYTONA.. regular tires with softer compounds often won't work. (hence the need for "DAYTONA TIRES") Had you been given the tire you wanted, you likely would have been bitching about the fact it chunked or worse, had a horrific crash when it did chunk. SO..harder tire will last but you need to take more care, especially on warm up laps (hence the term "warm up lap"). Lots and lots of other riders seem to grasp this important bit of info. 

     Bro, Im sorry your bike got trashed. Crashing is expensive and limits the amount of racing we get to do, and Im glad you did not get hurt. But you should learn to control the name calling when trying to make excuses for yourself.

[Graham]

The Dog leg at Daytona, sometimes it just kicks ya...