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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2009, 02:47:25 am »
wow, if he rode a 1st gen, how did he get the power commander to operate the carbs?

I assumed because of quick shifter, must be an ignition module, Sorry, good catch though....
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2009, 09:35:38 am »
ts:This is sooo true.  Everyone knows all ducati owners are filthy rich.
  :jerkoff:

I may be filthy but I am not rich.

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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2009, 10:21:58 am »
hey' i live in a double wide with a field full of cows.and i own my own business so you know i'm broke
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2009, 10:29:48 am »
ts:This is sooo true.  Everyone knows all ducati owners are filthy rich.
  :jerkoff:

Wealth and Racing a ducati are two mutually exclusive concepts...  this is how it works:  1st start with some money, 2nd purchase ducati, 3rd fix everthing that ducati screwed up, 4th you're now poor!

or it can go like this:

1st start with some money, 2nd purchase a ducati, 3rd race the ducati as assembled at the factory, 4th ducati explodes, 5th now fix bike, 6th now your poor.

I call option 1 the direct path.  Option 2 is the toxic mortgage plan
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2009, 10:32:13 am »
hey' i live in a double wide with a field full of cows.and i own my own business so you know i'm broke
You must be rich if you can afford the double wide!


Isn't a 748 comparable to a 1000DS on power to weight ratio?  That's more important than cc.
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2009, 11:13:18 am »

Isn't a 748 comparable to a 1000DS on power to weight ratio?  That's more important than cc.

When you're on it the power to weight gets a little irrelevent  .  A stock 1000ds makes about 85-87hp and weighs about 400lbs, a stock 748 makes 90-95hp and weighs about 400lbs... so the numbers say there's not much difference. 

Except the 1000ds chassis sucks, while the 748 is a rock.  The 1000ds shuts down by 8500rpm, while the 748 revs to 11K.  The 1000ds rotating assembly is a giant, inertia infested lump of crap, the 748 is much faster revving.  The 748 has 10 years of World Superbike development, while your lucky if you can find a decent set of rearsets for the 1000ds.   Analysis:  748-racebike, 1000ds-streetbike.
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2009, 11:34:58 am »
85-87 for the 1000DS-What? my Duc 800 with cams, HC pistons, and some excellent mapping produces 87 rwhp and still weighs as much as the DS. The 748 has more power outright hp but the DS pulls the 748 out of the corners with the torquey grunt. Yes the 748 has more RPM to work with and thus the overrev is nice at times. It sure feels like to me that the 748 is much heavier than the SS. 748-Superbike, 1000DS-Supersport.
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2009, 12:51:50 pm »
Rumors of the hp output of the stock 1000ds have been greatly exaggerated!  A really, really good 1000ds CCS supersport LEGAL build might make 95 on a loose dyno jet... mine made 79 on a factory pro...  however that converts.   And take it from me, the 1000ss frame is crap!  Especially when you start adding some power.  Until I braced the frame, mine shook badly.  My impression of the 1000ss is that its difficult to ride fast... and that seems to be a common response among others I've met that race one.

And grunt?  Thats why the RC-51 can run circles around 600's, right?  Oh yeah... they don't.  The "grunt" makes is difficult to control, making you wait to roll on.  Again we're comparing a race bike to a street bike. 
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2009, 01:12:31 pm »
Last I weighed my 748, stock except for race glass, alum solo subframe with a full tank, I was around 450 +/- lbs, with a empty tank I was around 440 +/-  but that was 6-7 years ago, so maybe it's lost 50lbs sitting in the back of the garage since then. :rollseyes:
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2009, 01:21:44 pm »
450lbs!!!  it must be the leaded fuel weighing it down. 

I never weighed my 1000ss stock and full of fuel... but according to sportrider, it weighs 446lb with a full tank... so yes very similar to a 748.

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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2009, 03:05:57 pm »
Guess you guys missed the "No-Desmodromic  Valves" in the rule book.  The 748 has Desmodromic Valves and is not yet legal!  See the spec's on the bike here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_748

If you look at the 09 ULSB rules - Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1999 model year, up to 800cc

The 748 was produced from 1994 to 2002, so as noted above, it's already ULSB legal, why block it from LW?
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Re: Attn: Duc racers...could it be???
« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2009, 03:15:39 pm »
Actually, Eric Kelcher did rule this out.  On september 11, 2008... I don't know whats up with the rulebook

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  Re: Ultra light superbike.. is this legal?
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2008, 08:15:23 AM »   

Ducati 748 should not have been included as a legal machine in Ultra-Light

Wording should have been twin cylinder liquid cooled, pre 1999 model year, up to 700cc

I had not read this thread as I figured it had to do with SV650, Ninja650 for next year and was just going to let ideas flow.

The correction will be made for 2009 
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