Is the Heavyweight class obsolete?

[Super Dave]

But your SV1k puts out much more torque than a 600 and is easier to ride because you aren't shifting as much.

Shifting was the same as on my previous 600's.  More torque, but with no HP, if it spins up at all, it would fall on its face rather than continuing to drive out of the corner like a 600 with similar HP on a dyno...but more in motion with ram air. 

Easier to ride?  It weighed more and had more torque, but I couldn't put down the times I could on a 600.  It was fun, I made money, and it was a good bike.  If it was all about torque, then the bike with the most torque per pound would win every race.

[backMARKr]

Easier to ride?  It weighed more and had more torque, but I couldn't put down the times I could on a 600.  It was fun, I made money, and it was a good bike.  If it was all about torque, then the bike with the most torque per pound would win every race.

Steve Wilkins strikes again......open mouth insert foot.

[F2RGK]

Hey Tim, we are talking about CC's here and not rider weight?  LOL!!!  Are you worried about putting on a few pounds?

[Gino230]

In the rules thread, I suggested some mods to the MW class stucture to allow up to 999CC twins in MWSB, MWGP, and GTU. The fastest would be a heavily modded 999R, maybe 140HP. Similar to a heavily built 600. My 996 makes 112.

Of course there will always be riders who can win on anything, but the question is what classes are the bikes most competitive in?

Sure, the HW classes are mostly obsolete, but I don't think you can count on CCS eliminating any classes....entries=$$ and CCS needs to stay in business, after all or we're all screwed (at least us Florida guys)!

[benprobst]

But your SV1k puts out much more torque than a 600 and is easier to ride because you aren't shifting as much.

Just curious, but are you drunk?





A SV1000 easier to ride at pace than a 600? 

[Fast4fun]

It weighed more and had more torque, but I couldn't put down the times I could on a 600. 

SD - Are you saying that your HW bike was slower than your own times on a 600?

Hey Tim, we are talking about CC's here and not rider weight?  LOL!!!  Are you worried about putting on a few pounds?

Not nice to make fun of the fat kids. BTW, I'm getting close to F40... that's my next thread. BTW you're old as$ POS has no place in this thread 

[SV88]

Ben:  I'm not drunk right now or when I posted this and I guess I should explain my reasoning a little better.

Twins are generally easier to ride @ pace because of a considerably widder power band so you don't have to shift as much as a 600.  My R6 is considerably harder to ride @ pace because of the narrow power band, the need to keep it on the boil (above 10K) and the costliness of rider mistakes - coming out of T5 @ RA @ 7k is akin to parking the bike!
Now physicality is another issue which I suspect is the source of our disagreement - the SV1K is much heavier than the R6 and requires more physical exersion to get around the track.  The R6 clearlly brakes, accelerate, dives into corners much more easily.
Having said all of this, I cannot say that I've raced my SV1k (I've done 3 track days) like the R6 (1 sprint @ RA and 2 6hr CMRA endurance races) so I am speculating to some extent.

[benprobst]

I know your not drunk Steve, just bustin your balls some!

I guess we have different ideas of hard to ride. To me shifting doesnt make a bike hard to ride. Why would you ever come out of a corner at 7 thousand rpm? Just down shit again, problem solved and an example of why a 600 is so easy to ride. The bike is amazing, all I have to do is stop doing things wrong and the bike will go faster. However on the SV it has certain inherent weaknesses that to me seem to constantly over ridden. The incredibly flexible forks (changing the way the bike acts on the way into the corner dending on what your current adjustable trail is!!!) , the chassis that seems to love tying its self in knots, and a motor that will not allow you to do the things with a rear tire that are easy breasy on  inline. The way it makes power is a pain in the ass too. If you go into a corner like T1 at BHF with a 600, the two of you get equal drives out, the guy on th SV is the one loosing out, having to sacrifice body positioning and traction getting that next shift because the thing runs out of ummmpphhhh so soon, it has zero over rev, while most 600s make close to peak power after its true peak the SV drops off a cliff.

But as always its your opinion, so im just yacking really. In my experience to get close to fast 600 times on an SV takes way more concentration and significantly more effort. Obviously its different for you, not to mention some people just dont jive with inlines.

[Mike829]

I ride a 750 because with a stock motor it deosn't get pulled by the top EX's at BHF on their supersport motor 600's.  for me its cheaper, because i can run a stock motor for 3 yrs.  i wouldn't mind riding a 600 if their was a suspension/hand n foot controls only modification class.  U4 and yearly engine builds?  no thanks!

[ahastings]

I ran HWSS (AM) and got my ass handed to me on my Duc 996.  I know this is another topic, but I am so completely limited in classes with this bike- it kinda blows.  Can't run the LW or MW stuff, as CCS hates Desmodromic valves (even the old tired quattro stuff I have) (((BUT BUELLS CAN )))  So, I am limited to HW or Unlimited stuff, where I get my ass handed to me.  Let's be honest- my Duc puts about the same ponies, if not less, to the ground as the current 600's.  I need concessions, dammit!  

if you got your ass handed to you in the heavyweight classes then it would be the same in the middleweight or maybe even worse as the heavyweight classes are generally easier

[F2RGK]

Some of the track day folks don't get into racing because of the size of grids.  So, eliminating classes with smaller numbers of entries doesn't allow them an opportunity to get involved.

Additionally, Buell and Suzuki have offered substantial manufacturer contingency to experts in HW classes. 

Wouldn't it be more of lack of promotion and fear of not knowing enough about racing?  The old adage goes, if they don't have a friend to ride with, then it's not any fun.  We need to concentrate on that comradery more.  I know it's competition, but it's the comradery competition VS. Attitude competition.  We need to go out of our way more for that to lead them to the water.  I remember my first race, learning curves, I sucked, but it was a big grid, that wasn't my fear; however, it was whether or not I'll crash.  You'll never know what goes thru someone's head at that moment when they are under pressure.