Rearsets

Started by 1hot03r1az09, March 10, 2009, 09:18:10 PM

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1hot03r1az09

How many people would be happy if they can't afford the expenisve rearsets from woodcraft, vortex, or whatever else makes them, but you were able to make your factor rearsets adjustable at a third of the cost?

LilJayRR

Not me.

Factory rearsets are to flimsy.. I'll stick with my woodcraft rearsets.
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tzracer

I do not like racing with folding footpegs.

Some aftermarket are much more crashable than stock, also separate parts are also available.
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SV88

Why are folding pegs a no-no for racing?  Is it that they provide additional protection for the bike when it's down or is it more the danger of trapping a rider with the bike?

Not crazy about Woodcraft in general.  Good product but no customer service.
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Quote from: 1hot03r1az09 on March 10, 2009, 09:18:10 PM
How many people would be happy if they can't afford the expenisve rearsets from woodcraft, vortex, or whatever else makes them, but you were able to make your factor rearsets adjustable at a third of the cost?

I think that you are implying that you are going to find a bracket that moves the rearsets up and back.  Which, if thats true, is not going to work.  Speaking from experience, that bracket just allows the whole assembly to flex more.  The stock rearsets on my bike were way too low, you gotta remember that these machines were designed for racing but intended for the street. That means they (the factory) has to account for all variables, like short people, tall people, people that dont want to be in a superman position while going to work.  More hardware on the bike than is needed, in my opinion, is the reverse of what should happen.  Any experienced racer will tell you that the more you have on your bike, the more there is to break, malfunction, or impossible to replace at the track.  A rearset is one of the first things to hit the ground, I have woodcraft rearsets, they have been through 4 crashes and no problems.  My stock rearset, with a shitty little bracket for racing, broke just from the bike falling over in my garage.  The biggest persuasion to buy an actual race rearset, is the at the track availability, there is always someone willing to sell you a spare footpeg if you need it.  Put it this way, you save $200 on a cheap replacement.  Lets say you crash on friday practice, and have to go home.  Was that $200 worth it?

gpz11

Well, I've run the stock rearsets on my RC51 since the day I got it. I've crashed it a few times and they've been fine. I also have a few sets of spares for much less than buying a aftermarket set.

On our SV, I have stock gsxr rearsets with the adjuster plates. Once again, it's cheaper to run them and buy a few spares than buy aftermarket ones.

The aftermarket ones do look cool though.

backMARKr

We have used NFC Racin rearset plates w/ Woodcraft rearsets not so much for rise, but because we realized that in a crash the plate bent first as opposed to the rearset assembly itself. Cheaper to replace the plate.

Have never had an issue with Woodcraft. Everytime I call out there I get good customer service and questions answered.

hope this helps...

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You can get the ones from Woodcraft that use some of your stock parts pretty reasonable. They use stock brake and shift levers with this rearset. http://www.woodcraft-cfm.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=17605
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Woodcraft for me please.   :biggrin:
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123user

This is the way I do it.  I buy a piece of 6" x 12" x 1/2" aluminum, I draw the outline with a Sharpy Pen, then I cut out the outlines on a band saw, then I drill mounting and peg holes.

I also like to leave a little meat of the 1st iteration to add different holes in case I'm not happy with the position.  The whole process costs about $20 and takes about 2 hours, which includes lathing and knurling rigid pegs.

They look uglier than homemade sin, but work great.

Super Dave

Well, there was a time when, years ago, we just raced with the factory foot pegs.  My TZ250 had pegs that wouldn't fold up, and that's when I found out that pegs that remained in place helped kind of keep the bike off the pavement, reducing some damage.  I think it slowed it down too with the steel, on that peg, driving into the ground vs the slippery bodywork.

The stock pegs and brackets are production items that are built inexpensively for the purpose of riding, not falling down.  I've crashed OEM pegs, got up, they looked fine, then, later, they broke because the crash produced a small crack in the piece, and it eventually failed.

I'm a Woodcraft user, and I've seen and made brackets bend where certainly the OEM piece would have broken.  Sometimes, even, the bend in the Woodcraft piece is enough to keep one going without having to attempt to rebend it. 

As they are, GSXR's have riser plates to move the stock peg brackets around. 

Customer service wise, I've had great luck with the Woodcraft family for years.
Super Dave

Xian_13

Quote from: SV88 on March 11, 2009, 09:37:41 AM

Not crazy about Woodcraft in general.  Good product but no customer service.

Really?
No, really? you think so?

I had an issue with a woodcraft order back in Sept.
My wife emailed woodcraft and Eric Wood called her within minutes of getting the email.
I'm not sure who you tried to get service from.
Woodcraft seems to be on the ball from this side of the fence.

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Quote from: Xian_13 on March 11, 2009, 01:14:23 PM
I had an issue with a woodcraft order back in Sept.
My wife emailed woodcraft and Eric Wood called her within minutes of getting the email.
I'm not sure who you tried to get service from.
Woodcraft seems to be on the ball from this side of the fence.

+1000
Yep - I was super impressed with the time and care Eric took to handle and resolve our issues. He obviously really cares about his company and product, and also the end user and customers.

I've only ever had that same kind of impression and experience from vendors that we know personally.

Bummer you had a bad experience with them. I would give them another try.

Woodcraft rearsets and frame sliders saved X's Armour Bodies from certain peril from his teammates lowside at Daytona during Team Challenge. The clipon and lever weren't even scratched.

Sobottka

nothing but excellent customer service from woodcraft!!
Best stuff on the market  too :thumb:
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tzracer

Quote from: SV88 on March 11, 2009, 09:37:41 AM
Why are folding pegs a no-no for racing?  Is it that they provide additional protection for the bike when it's down or is it more the danger of trapping a rider with the bike?

I do not like folding pegs because I have had them fold up while racing (I know others who have had the same problem). I like footpegs that are not going to move and that have a great deal of grip. Crash protection is secondary.

I have also had great luck with Woodcraft, no problems with service.
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I have to stick up for their customer service as well. I have a story:
Woodcraft shipped a set of 08-09 R6 bodywork to a racer for the CCS weekend at Daytona. When he got there and opened it he found that Armour Bodies put a 06-07 lower in the box.
Woodcraft called Rob at Lithium because he knew we had a set, but it was here in Green Bay, WI.  They didn't care, they said ship it next day air at any cost. I sent it out that night and the UPS bill was over $250!! I talked to Jan the next day and she didn't bat an eye. There is MAYBE $150 margin in that bodywork but Woodcraft lost their ass because it was the right thing to do. Sounds pretty good to me.
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Quote from: SV88 on March 11, 2009, 09:37:41 AM
Why are folding pegs a no-no for racing?  Is it that they provide additional protection for the bike when it's down or is it more the danger of trapping a rider with the bike?

Not crazy about Woodcraft in general.  Good product but no customer service.

I would not say they are a no-no.  I do not think there is a safety issue.  I use folding pegs, and I have not had any issues with getting trapped by them, you are much more likely to be trapped by the engine or frame than folding pegs.  I think folding pegs are more forgiving when you touch them on the track or a curb ect.  If you touch a solid peg down on something, you are far more likely to have an issue upsetting the bike and or crashing.  Some feel that they prevent damage to the bike in a crash by supporting the bike up off of the pavement.  The solid pegs can also dig into the dirt and start the bike tumbling.  Solid pegs are cheaper and easier to manufacture than folding pegs.
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funsizeracing

Quote from: 123user on March 11, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
This is the way I do it.  I buy a piece of 6" x 12" x 1/2" aluminum, I draw the outline with a Sharpy Pen, then I cut out the outlines on a band saw, then I drill mounting and peg holes.

I also like to leave a little meat of the 1st iteration to add different holes in case I'm not happy with the position.  The whole process costs about $20 and takes about 2 hours, which includes lathing and knurling rigid pegs.

They look uglier than homemade sin, but work great.

How do you do the knurling? 
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123user

Quote from: funsizeracing on March 12, 2009, 01:31:40 PM
How do you do the knurling? 

On a hockey rink, with a broom... oh wait no... on a lathe with knurling tool. 

I think the positives about solid pegs do outweight the negatives.  Guy is right about them digging in, but they also can save parts and can help scrub off a lot speed while their in contact with the pavement.  I ground 1.5 inches off of one during my feat of acrobatics at RA in 2007- Guy was there... supposedly it was awesome!  The solid peg did its job in that case.