848 legal for middleweight supersport?

[Ducati23]

600 riders need not worry about those dog slow 848's. Those overweight over priced Ducati's don't stand a chance. Maybe they should be LW class legal? That would be more like it.

George hope to see you a few times this season. I saw your bike at DI a couple weeks ago. Why so many 600 riders complain about our slow Ducati's is puzzling? The 850 displacement doesn't make them faster than most 600's. Ducati says the 848 makes 134 hp at the crank us

[Mongo]

Sorry by heavier I meant larger displacement not the actual weight of the bike...  Isn't heavyweight the upper limit?  If so why shouldn't a bigger bike (displacement wise) be allowed?

[123user]

I see the results from Daytona are in.  Ducati 848's placed in two whole CCS races... Class killers indeed!!!

[ton]

Sorry by heavier I meant larger displacement not the actual weight of the bike...  Isn't heavyweight the upper limit?  If so why shouldn't a bigger bike (displacement wise) be allowed?

No, Sean, HW is the class between MW and Unlimited.  It's essentially a second MW class, as there are a very few 750's racing it. 

-mark

[MELK-MAN]

I see the results from Daytona are in.  Ducati 848's placed in two whole CCS races... Class killers indeed!!!

you also did not notice that just about the only one that was there won the ASRA superbike race. Puerta is an amasing young rider, but that was THE FASTEST mid wt bike at the event. Eric wood's exact words to me were "greg, his bike makes your bike look slow".. and my superbike drafted behind but not past Shane Narbone's 750 and some of the best 600s.
Not taking anything from the talent, but before people only look at the total podiums of the bike keep in mind there are few of these bikes out there. I think Puerta also won another race, not just the Pro Superbike event.
Im racing either way, I just wanna see the bitch fest continue

[garrettrick]

Was Puertas bike SS or SBK?

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Purely out of curiosity, is this Puerta guy a bit lighter than you Greg? I'm wondering if power to weight ratio might have added some advantage to the equation?

[Mongo]

Ahhhhh - so HW is more like our B/750 class stuff.  Cool thanks. 

[MELK-MAN]

Purely out of curiosity, is this Puerta guy a bit lighter than you Greg? I'm wondering if power to weight ratio might have added some advantage to the equation?

nope. He is actually pretty tall (to me) and at least 155lb. Im 5'6" and 165.

[hamurobby]

 Can we at least have minimum weights for bike and rider? or is that too much to ask from club racing? (just a150lb minimum rider weight minus gear? How about 540lbs total after the races for a mw anything?) These ancient rules are ridiculous. How hard is it to weigh a bike and rider after a race, every other sanctioning body from RC cars to saturday night stock car racing does. Mongo or Eric Kelcher, could you shed some light on this? Thanks Ducati for building modern bikes that cost a fortune, and thanks to the sanctioning bodies for staying with rules that were made in the stone age. A guy who weighs 60lbs more than a lightweight guy is trying to turn on a front tire that is trying to change direction with 10% more weight on it than a lighter guy, twisting the throttle more isnt the answer, making the rules fair is. Why should the 75% of the riders who weigh more than 150lbs that ride against guys who have an obvious advantage when we could just go play golf, fish or drink, alienation is the norm from this sport, thats why its hard to find guys who were riding a few years ago, still riding.

Greg and Brad, congrats on your results at Daytona! hope to see all you guys at PBIR!

[Mongo]

Why would we need minimum weights?  I can guarantee I'd find fatter peeps on the same bike who are faster which means you can go faster too and it's not your weight holding you back.

[skiandclimb]

What gets me is the continued hatred of the older desmo motors.  My 1999 996 weighs 437 pounds, and has 112 ponies in stock form, which is destroyed by the new stuff out there, yet I continue to see words like "No Desmodromic valving" in the class break-downs! The Buells are allowed in LW stuff now, and have very similar specs to my Duc, but I can only run HW classes? WTF?

An 848-134 HP at 370 lbs

A GSXR 600- 125 HP at 432 lbs

A 1098- 160 HP at 380 lbs

A CBR 600RR- 118 HP at 410 lbs

What I have a problem with is that those of us riding older bikes are at a huge disadvantage as compared to newer, lighter bikes, who run in the same classes.

I understand that CCS, WERA, et al  wants to fill their grids, but I truly believe that bikes should be sorted by power to weight ratios, instead of the outdated rules we are subject to, and the bikes that are allowed to go down in class for some reason.  And I think that is the only way to shut everyone up, including myself.

Factory specs are easy enough to find.  Why not sort by this, rather than the convoluted system we have now?  $$$$$$$- that's why.