848 legal for middleweight supersport?

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Graham, my guess is the 848's 135hp is at the crank, not the wheel. Yamaha's 08 R6 is listed at 130hp at the crank.

[Graham]

Just a thought, sence ccs has pissed off alot of people in the middle weight class, heavyweight class, and the 1000s class with the ducati 1098r lets let the 748 and the 749 ducati run in lightweight that way everyone is mad,lol.

[Mongo]

I can't imagine anyone actually fast on a 600 having issues with an 848.  Same thing for a 1098 against a 1000cc four.

[d-wire]

I always hear these numbers thrown around. At RA in 07 (before the grid fiasco that overheated and killed my motor) my zx6 was making 117hp on a dynojet. Compared to other 600s, my bike was so fast I felt like I was cheating. Granted, it was not tuned for peak power, and was big from 9k to redline.
I heard a lot of talk about Brian Hall's motors that season too. Speculation was that his stuff was making well over 130. But I saw his bikes on the dyno, and they were the same as mine.
Either the dyno I use is really consevative, or others are optimistic, or maybe things like this just get exagerated...

+1.  My 2mm over sb r6 was never near 130 and it was sick fast. 

A lot of the guys asking questions or whining about DUcs are because of some very well prepped Ducati's down here in CCS FL.  I have to give to Ducati Miami and Motocourse.....they are building some really fast bikes and have fast riders on them.  These Ducs are heads and shoulders above the Ducs Ive raced against in Wera or Northern CCS regions.  Very fast, good looking bikes........just proffesional stuff.  Impressive

[George_Linhart]

Yup - its more the rider than the bike.  Put a very good rider on a very well prepared bike of any make and he will make the majority of club level competition look like they are standing still.

Some of us don't have time to ride and race nearly as much as others and some of us also don't have the outright tallent.  It doesn't matter how much money I every throw at my bike, I will never be able to consistently race with the really fast guys.  Some people just don't have the talent but always want to blame it on the bike...

I just like to make 3-5 race weekends a season and meet up with old friends and do my best to keep up the pace and ride safely.  Anytime I finish all my races and bring the bike and myself home in 1 peice it has been a succesful race weekend - doesn't matter what order I finished.

George

[superbike2001]

Yup - its more the rider than the bike.  Put a very good rider on a very well prepared bike of any make and he will make the majority of club level competition look like they are standing still.

Some of us don't have time to ride and race nearly as much as others and some of us also don't have the outright tallent.  It doesn't matter how much money I every throw at my bike, I will never be able to consistently race with the really fast guys.  Some people just don't have the talent but always want to blame it on the bike...

I just like to make 3-5 race weekends a season and meet up with old friends and do my best to keep up the pace and ride safely.  Anytime I finish all my races and bring the bike and myself home in 1 peice it has been a succesful race weekend - doesn't matter what order I finished.

George

This is the best post yet on this topic. Well put.

[d-wire]

This is the best post yet on this topic. Well put.

I agree.......and so does everyone else who posted in this thread. 

[Been-Jammin]

Supersport rule : Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 850cc
Superbike rule: Twin cylinder,4 valve per cylinder up to 850cc

                    The 848 is a twin cylinder,4 valve,liquid cooled bike, how can the max cc be the same in both classes? The 1098 is not legal for heavyweight supersport but is for heavyweight superbike. So i would think the 848 is not legal for middleweight supersport. MY superbike  R6
doesnt put out 134hp with 70lbs torque but thats the stats for a 848 stock.Could someone explain  how the same cc for superbike is th same for supersport, thanks.

I'm curious too, how the 1098 is a heavyweight bike? The 999 yes, but 1098, how?

I can't imagine anyone actually fast on a 600 having issues with an 848.  Same thing for a 1098 against a 1000cc four.

I completely agree.

I rode a stock 848 and finished mid-pack c superbike once. Right behind Rodney Vest & Alistair Douglas at RRR.
The stock 848 will trip over itself trying to catch a middleweight bike in a straight away, catch it in a corner and repeat.
IMO a stock 848 is a good fit for middleweight. We ran the same bike at RA and couldn't hold a candle to ANY 600 on the back straight and had to make up the time on the brakes to hold position... I don't think the 848's have the ass in a straight line. Crank HP maybe, but not giddy up and go.

The sick part is, I rode better on my 1000ds than I ever did on the 848. At JGP, RRR and RA, by almost 1/2 second.
In superstock trim the 848 was a huge clunky disappointment and a complete waste of $$ IMO.

[Mongo]

Okay - the 1098 is heavier than the 999 - why wouldn't it be a HW bike?  Am I missing something? 

[benprobst]

Okay - the 1098 is heavier than the 999 - why wouldn't it be a HW bike?  Am I missing something? 

Are you sure about that Sean? I could have sworn that was thie biggest deal when the 1098 came out. In RRW it was the lightest bike in the big bike shootout a year or so ago, and that was always the Ducatis of old downfall - weight. I thought I remeber reading the 1098 was something like 25 lbs lighter than the 999. Could be wrong though, ill go look for the RRW.

[Been-Jammin]

Okay - the 1098 is heavier than the 999 - why wouldn't it be a HW bike?  Am I missing something? 

Nope, my bad. I was thinking of the 1098r, not the base model. Don't think that's allowed in Heavyweight.

[Graham]

i read that the 1098 was 410 lb, 1098 S 387lb, 1098 R 367lb and the susuki 750 2009 was 437lb.I personaly dont have any issues with any thing,I really only wanted to no why the 848 had the same cc for supersport and superbike.With the posts it seems the 848 is a dog in supersport trim and way to much in the superbike trim,so it is what it is.But the 1098 in heavyweight might be a little much.It might not be a problem anywhere else but like Dwire stated the Florida region there tough and have great riders riding them,and like i said before 99% of the time i get beat by a better rider.Now on the other hand if it rains its on!!!!!!!!Seems am faster in the wet then in the dry, :banghead:well not faster i finish better in the rain.IT most be those MICHELIN rains,love them!!!!!!!!!!