'09 Rules request - 1098s removed from Heavyweight

[Rookie]

they are already excluded from heavyweight supersport as that class is limited to 1000cc twins, they are only allowed in heavyweight superbike. A good compromise would be to change the superbike rules from unlimited twins to 1125cc twins, that would allow the original 1098 and the Buell in that class as the 750 fours are allowed to be bored to 775 for that class.

This is something that makes sense

[Eye-p]

they are already excluded from heavyweight supersport as that class is limited to 1000cc twins, they are only allowed in heavyweight superbike. A good compromise would be to change the superbike rules from unlimited twins to 1125cc twins, that would allow the original 1098 and the Buell in that class as the 750 fours are allowed to be bored to 775 for that class.

I agree with this as well. Cap the CC's @ 1126 and we are pretty much at a level playing field.

If you start asking the 1098's to compete against the Unlimited bikes with 180+hp you are putting the Ducati guys at a significant disadvantage.
As Rookie points out, the GSX-r 750 and the 1098 are quite close in performance...

[banzai1]

they are already excluded from heavyweight supersport as that class is limited to 1000cc twins, they are only allowed in heavyweight superbike. A good compromise would be to change the superbike rules from unlimited twins to 1125cc twins, that would allow the original 1098 and the Buell in that class as the 750 fours are allowed to be bored to 775 for that class.

This seems to be the best answer yet.

[Team Spalding]

What Arnie suggested sounds fair.

[roadracer162]

A stock 1098 makes about 140hp. My 1098 witha full system, race ecu and PC3 makes about 149.  My GSXR750 made 141 on pump gas with a slip on system and PC3.

Hardly a huge offset in power

Does torque figures come into play with this comparison? My understanding is that more HP translates to a better top speed for a given bike. More torque translates to a better drive out of those slow corners.

In the latest Sport rider comparison it has a ZX10R @161HP and a 181 mph top speed, then there is the GSXR750 @ 123 HP and 170 mph top speed.

Still seems to me the 1098 is not a Heavyweight SS bike. I can concede allowing into Superbike.

Mark

[ahastings]

Does torque figures come into play with this comparison? My understanding is that more HP translates to a better top speed for a given bike. More torque translates to a better drive out of those slow corners.

In the latest Sport rider comparison it has a ZX10R @161HP and a 181 mph top speed, then there is the GSXR750 @ 123 HP and 170 mph top speed.

Still seems to me the 1098 is not a Heavyweight SS bike. I can concede allowing into Superbike.

Mark

so whats your beef the 1098 is currently NOT legal in hw ss.

[roadracer162]

I really don't have a beef since it doesn't affect me. It does seem to me though that it really isn't a Heavyweight anything, but if the majority votes to include it as a Superbike then there ya go. I just don't see all the hype about it not having enough hp.

Mark

[murf99]

Hmmm... I guess I was lazy and didn't read the HWSS rules.

Capping HWSB at 1126 (or whatever) CC makes some sense.  Perhaps 1098s in SS trim allowed in HWSB?

Or have a as-yet-to-be-determined weight penalty given to the Ducatis, based upon thier performances in thier first 3 rounds of competition... 

I keeeeed, I keed.  Just a World Superbike joke...

[djduc748l]

I raced the 1098 this year and had my hands full at some rounds against the GSXR750, torque does help, but I think were the biggest difference is seen is at Daytona, the 1098 simply has more legs, period, but on more technical tracks the playing field is way closer, I think the 1198 will be unfair in the heavyweight class, as that bike simply spanks my 1098, a 1098 can and does hold its own in the UNL classes, as long as we're talking a technical track, at Daytona, forget it! I also race a GSXR 1000 and at some tracks prefered to race my 1098 in UNL over the GSXR, VIR for example, I sucked on my GSXR but went well on the Duc, bottom line the 1098 fits well in Hvywt, I bet most of the guys that dont want it in there run a 600...thats their choice and thats why there appears to be such a huge gap, and there is between a 600 and the 1098...go look how many 750's actually line up in the Hvywt SB classes...Happy Holidays!

Dennis Espinosa

[murf99]

I bet most of the guys that dont want it in there run a 600...

Naw - some are on Aprilias, which might be worse. LOL!

Congratulations on a great season Dennis!

I'd just like to raise the point that there is probably much less in this arguement at a small track such as Summit or Blackhawk.  I personally beleive that the torque of a twin is favorable in this instance.

Anyhow - Daytona may be an oddity in that it favors power so much... but that IS where the national championships are decided, therefore holds tremendus importance and ought not be marginalized.

[banzai1]

Mmmm are they gonna let the I-4 to be bored out to 820cc like the flyer suggests?

[Ducati23]

They shouldn't be in HW since the 750's need a place to call home but F40 is fair!1098 is a good choice for F40 since those Ducati's are so slow and the riders can't keep up with the 600's no matter how much power they have. Seems very fair to me!