Best class to start in CCS

[Black Snowman]

I have this sneaking suspicion that once I've taken the Visionsports Skills and Thrills I'm going to want a dedicated track bike, and possibly begin racing next year. I know I don't want to start in Supertwins with my brand new 1125R so I have a few questions for the "Been There Done That" crowd. I'd be racing in the Midwest region but I doubt that makes a difference.

1) What's the best class to start in for a 220 lb 34 yo racing nube like myself? The criteria would probably be weighted by inexpensive and safest competitors. I'm guessing Lightweight Supersport or Thunderbike.
2) What's a competitive and inexpensive bike that works in the class answered in question 1 that I should keep an eye out for?
3) Should I dismiss the thought of racing for a year or two and just get a dedicated track bike to run and ignore the race classification of it to just get a good deal? For instance, find a track prepped middleweight on the cheap since they seem to be pretty common and inexpensive.

This has probably been hashed to death but I think my bodyweight and age might be a factor, rule changes, plus the search engine here isn't that great so I couldn't find anything real useful.

Thanks in advance. Now we'll see how many people chime in with "Get an SV!" 

[LongDogRacing]

no brainer.  get an SV.

they are cheap.  easy to maintain.  easy on tires/cheaper on tires.

experience on the SV has set me up well to run a middleweight 600 to its full potential for next year.

the SV can be competitive in at least 5 ccs classes (LWSS, LWSB, LWGP, GTL, Thunderbike), thus giving you great bang for the buck for the weekend.

hope that helps.

[xb9racer]

Or get a Buell. Contingency is second to none!

[Gixxerblade]

I would race the 1125 if it were me. If you want another street bike then get a 600.

[weggieman]

Don't start.......it's a bottomless hole to throw money in!

[PJ]

Find a used XB9 or XB12 and go for it. Buell pays contingency to amatuers and experts and has a racing support program second to none. No minimum grid. 2003 and newer models. You can find low mile street bikes with minor crash damage for around $4,000. And there are plenty of Buell racers in the MW region who will help show you the ropes.

Save the 1125R for when you turn expert. It will be paid off by then (maybe?) and you'll be ready for the extra power.

http://buell.com/en_us/mania/racing/2008BuellRacingSupport.pdf

PS. Size can be a factor, but it doesn't have to limit you. I'm 40-years-old/6'1"/205 and reasonably competitive in the LW, Thunderbike and SuperTwins classes with a lightly modded XB12R.

[LongDogRacing]

question about buell's

if the XB12's are good for the LW classes, what would the XB9 run in?

thanks, --justin

[Super Dave]

I don't have a rule book in front of me, but can the XB9 run in ultralightweight?

BS, yeah, the SV is an easy one.  Good platform that has spanned ten model years in two generational configurations.  Lightweight Supersport is really the only class that it's supersport legal in, while all the other lightweight classes allow modifications.  So, carbon tanks, GSXR forks...really, it's a nice platform to use for your own personalization and opportunity for development, whether it's good or bad...LOL!

The aircooled Buell gig is certainly an opportunity.  Amateur cash.  I mean, that's a nice thing, although I might not agree with it, it almost has to be considered.  If you have a relationship with your Buell/H-D dealership, hey, it might at least be worth looking at.

[PJ]

The XB9 used to be legal for Middleweight Sportsman (and later Ultra Light), but was booted out a few seasons ago. So, there is no class the XB9 can race in that the XB12 can't. A strong XB9 might make 77-81hp and weighs 420-440lbs. An XB12 should make 10-15 more HP, more torque and weighs the same. So the 12 is a better option if you are leaving the engine stock.

However, the hot set up for highly modded Buells is the XB9 short stroke engine with big bore pistons...

I use the XB12 with stock displacement, XB9 pistons for greater compression and a lightened flywheel.

[Ducati23]

Open class super bike, maybe a GSXR1k or R1 and then race unlimited SBK and GP, oh wait you said VRS not NESBA....hmmm better get an SV or Ninja 650 and race LW classes.

[Super Dave]

Open class super bike...

Um, yeah, here you go tOM...

[Ducati23]

We'll you know how fast he'd be if he was a NESBA guy. He'd have two questions - Which way does the track go and what's the ...tOm

[Stillie]

experience on the SV has set me up well to run a middleweight 600 to its full potential for next year.

Does that mean you're leaving the LW class? One place higher finishes for me next season! :D

[LongDogRacing]

Stefan, yeah, i've been thinking about it...   just got to keep my wallet out of trouble for the rest of the season.  That's the one nice thing about the LW classes: a set of tires can get me through three race weekends.  My teammates on the MW bikes are getting a race weekend and a trackday, so it adds up quick for them!  --Justin

[proechel539]

Justin, go ahead and sell you're SV and before you do, go ahead and remove the Ram Air so I can get it from you.

[SVbadguy]

experience on the SV has set me up well to run a middleweight 600 to its full potential for next year.

But Rob Oliva says:

I don't think anyone will disagree that doing well on an SV has nothing to do with how you will ride a 600 or a 1000.

http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,19609.msg165528.html#msg165528


  Yeah, whatever.  I mean just look at how shitty I'm doing on my 600, the first inline-4 I've ever owned.  The damn thing's still practically stock too.

[hernan52]

If you are really good..... go for MW or Heavyweight.
Just stay out of LW.
If you are NOT good, come to LW so we can beat you and feel we are Rossi.
:)

Hernan

PS: seriously, I think that the stock SV will be a ULW next year...... (not a LW anymore).

[LongDogRacing]

they may be 'considered' ULW, but i think they'll still be competitive for at least another year in the LW classes.  unless, of course, everyone jumps on the Buell bandwagon.  (not that there's anything wrong with that)

darryl, regarding the ramair---  sorry, it'll likely go with the bike!  (my only bargaining chip for a trade or selling it is how well it has ran this year!)

[tomholiday]

SV's will be under Superbike rules next year in ULW, not stock.

[LongDogRacing]

Yeah, whatever.  I mean just look at how shitty I'm doing on my 600, the first inline-4 I've ever owned.  The damn thing's still practically stock too.

thanks for shooting down my MW dreams, travis!  f*k it, i'll just go get me a 1000RR :)

[roadracer162]

There is a very fast supersport SV in the Florida region that is giving the Ducati 1000 guys fits. The SV can go very well with a very good rider.

Mark

[SVbadguy]

There is a very fast supersport SV in the Florida region that is giving the Ducati 1000 guys fits. The SV can go very well with a very good rider.

Mark

Like this and this

[Stillie]

Stefan, yeah, i've been thinking about it...   just got to keep my wallet out of trouble for the rest of the season.  That's the one nice thing about the LW classes: a set of tires can get me through three race weekends.  My teammates on the MW bikes are getting a race weekend and a trackday, so it adds up quick for them!  --Justin

Let me see if I can get a donation pot going amongst the other LW Ams. Maybe we can get you out of here just yet. :D

[marcelomotogp]

Can i say DUCATI 1000 ss . My first race ,my fist win...

[Ducati23]

Those aren't very good race bikes...