RA Dirty Rotten Cheaters

[Spooner427]

I know I don't mean much being slow laptraffic and not knowing either of these people and what they did, did not effect me that weekend but I can say I am sick of people not playing fairly. I don't know them but for as fast as they are you think they would know the rules or have enough people, friends, pit crew members that knew the rules. It's sad but I watched an Expert go out in a SS race on slick and after the race I brought it up to someone and they said well he was in last place so it didn't help him. I have seen people post things about their bikes on other forums that make them not legal for SS and they race them and place top 3 but noone knows and I am sure people at the track think they are great guys. This makes me think twice about racing next year. People wouldn't miss me out there but if all backmarkers and lap traffic riders leave what will be left.

I can point to numerous people that have been convicted (without a shadow of a doubt mind you) in a court of law and then subsequently been released because they were falsely imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit, at least they had the opportunity to defend themselves in court before being convicted and judged.

Don't forget they really ran a 750cc and that is what they are accused of. You are talking about people that didn't really do what they are accused of.... which is different.

[MotoGuy]

There can be no honor, and no satisfaction in cheating to win.

PS. Mongo, Guy Bartz is a class act and a stand up guy, as is his teammate Ed Key. Bitter? No. But disgusted at those who cheat and take cheap short cuts to compete with an unfair advantage, while the rest of us play by the rules? Hell yes! As we all should be.

[Willyz]

Innocent mistake my butt. I have both a GSXR600 and 750 and there is no mistaking which is which. I was in both TC and GTU (on my 600) and it was VERY obvious she was on a 750. In the first few laps I could close on her through Canada, 13 and 14 and then she would WALK away up the straight.

When I roasted the clutch in my 600 I was going to sit out the rest of my MW races when I guess I could have just jumped on my 750 and raced away. Ultimately I sourced a new clutch and made my other MW stuff. I think they are cheating sacks of .........

The CCS officials near my pits had other interesting stories about that gang flipping their NESBA armbands around and coloring them green with magic markers to try to keep from having to buy  CCS armbands.  Nice crew there. I'm sure they are proud pf themselves and the example they set.

-BK

[gntbldr]

I want to believe the best of people and I am hoping this is an innocent mistake; however, I have a really hard time understanding how this could be innocent.  The people involved have been around bikes and the track for a number of years (I know that I have seen them racing with CCS for all 3 years that I have lived in this region) so it is hard to see how they don't understand that 750's are not legal for GTU class races...

Perhaps one of the parties involved will post some sort of an explanation and apology.

George

I ran 2nd in the GTU TC for the first half of the race and by all means you're pretty right with the fact that she wouldn't need to cheat. Not only quick but has endurance too.

As for being naive, just a plain old mistake or even cheating I'm just glad that the error was corrected. Helped Wemmer's pink gsxr600 get one more spot up.

[Super Dave]

The CCS officials near my pits had other interesting stories about that gang flipping their NESBA armbands around and coloring them green with magic markers to try to keep from having to buy  CCS armbands.  Nice crew there. I'm sure they are proud pf themselves and the example they set.

-BK

I've known Alan for a long time.  Nice guy, honestly.  Don't know what to say about the 750 thing, really.  Unexepected is all, and I would expect there to be punishment to follow.

Now, armbands?

When an individual makes the decision to take an action like that puts all of us at risk for higher insurance costs.  Thanks!  A person that does that should be removed completely from the racing opportunities that are supplied by the racing organization.  I have no patience for that. 

Imagine if something happened to them.  Certainly, their families might look for compensation from the insurance provided or even look to sue the organization, the insurance, and the facility. 

If the same thing were done at a NESBA event, I'd bet that Mr Blandsford's insurance might be at risk too.  I really hope for all of our racing opportunities that extraordinarily severe sanctions are in place. 

[EX_#76]

Bitter much?

Some people make mistakes.  Until you hear their side to assume things is a bit silly.

I am not bitter at all.  I was not even in the race. 

Mogo, I can tell from a few of your previous posts that you certainly understand what it is like to have a strong opinion on a particular subject.  I have a strong opinion on the subject of cheating.  I would not have posted anything unless I was very sure of the subject matter.  Fact, they were disqualified and they were removed from the race results.  Fact, Guy Bartz has a strong opinion on cheating. 

[Burt Munro]

Let me add another one for you Guy.

Fact, once you are caught cheating everything else you do is scrutinized a little closer.
Ask any husband who is still married to the woman he cheated on.

Innocent or guilty, the question lingers.

[Protein Filled]

Hmm Rick, your comment reminds me of a particular joke:

An American was backpacking across the highlands, when he came across a small village where he decided to spend the night.

Upon entering the local pub that evening for some drinks with the locals, he found himself in a conversation with one particularly drunk and indignant individual.

"Ya see that fence out there?" The old man asked the backpacker. "I built that fence with me own hands. But ya think they call me MacGregor the fence builder? No!"

"And that church out there. I hoisted the bell up to the top with me own hands. But ya think they call me MacGregor the church builder? No!"

And that bridge. I put it together stone by stone. But ya think they call me MacGregor the bridge builder? No!"

"But ya screw one goat..."

[Super Dave]

Some how, I can only think about whey protein suppliments right now...

[Jason748]

And I though Edgar was his real name.... hum... MacGregor Dorn 

[EX_#76]

There can be no honor, and no satisfaction in cheating to win.

PS. Mongo, Guy Bartz is a class act and a stand up guy, as is his teammate Ed Key. Bitter? No. But disgusted at those who cheat and take cheap short cuts to compete with an unfair advantage, while the rest of us play by the rules? Hell yes! As we all should be.

Thanks for the support!!!

[Mongo]

I understand the strong feelings about willful cheating - I feel the same way.  However until I hear both sides of a story I tend to not get all excited about something like this.  I've seen racers make much much stupider mistakes than running the wrong size bike in a class. 

For now as long as it was handled by the officials I really can't see getting upset unless I found out they knew what they were doing and it was just to try and get track time or actually thought they could get away with it or something like that - then I'd get pissed off too. 

But I do understand your feelings, I'm just trying to get you to see that people do truly dumb things on accident a lot too.