Hmmm....Wonder What DMG Thinks About This Reaction??

[PJ721]

you dont think that if the bikes in Daytona SB and American SB are more in line with bikes in the new 600 cc MotoGP and WSB classes
that it wouldn't make it easier for a rider to make the move to either of them?  It just seems to me that DMG is looking at making the AMA a
better feeder system than it is now....maybe it's just wishful thinking...

only time will tell how this whole thing works out.

[Super Dave]

Pay in the current AMA sereis has been very good for a while.  Hey, foreign riders, even world champions, come back here.  Some could leave this series, but it would be for a lower salary, for those that have one, which are few.

As for prepardness, again, MotoGP is MotoGP.  There isn't anything like it in any other series that I know of.  It is what it is.  Not to mention the travel.

Additionally, the Yosh AMA Superbikes are more superbike than the WSB Suzuki's. 


As for DMG, why should they feel the need to develop riders for someone else?  Similarly, why are drivers coming from other disiplines to race in the NASCAR Cup Series?  Money and competition are good.  DMG appears to be building a show that would present an attainable, enforceable rules structure with real purse money.  With an attainable, enforceable rules structure, the rider becomes more important again;  the result isn't so predetermined.  That will be attractive to sponsors outside the industry.  Really, there won't be so much of the need for inside the industry sponsors.

[PJ721]

attainable, enforceable rules structure, the rider becomes more important again;  the result isn't so predetermined.  That will be attractive to sponsors outside the industry.  Really, there won't be so much of the need for inside the industry sponsors.

good point

[Super Dave]

And from one of the area's representatives who's marque was one of the original manufactures that competed in Superbike...
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33059

[Super Dave]

Really, here's what I think Roger thinks:  he's going to do a "Chuck Yeager" and focus on the task at hand.  He's working very hard with his various programs.  Participation by individuals and groups or teams is certainly optional.  But that will be a decision that they must make on their own, as racing is dangerous and expensive.

Having worked with Roger before, I am VERY interested in where this will all go as I recognized the vision of what he saw in the past, but he was restricted by the ever increasing power of the manufacturers.  He certainly tried to work with them all the time, and I think the growth of the whole program was a result of his effort and vision.  AMA Road Racing paid for a lot of stuff at the AMA in the late 80's early 90's. 

I have to think back on how Supersport was compared to today.  It was production based.  Polen won the first Supersport race at Daytona with a hybrid stock exhaust on his Honda Hurricane...the first version of the CBR600.  Now, although I know that my trusted guy Jim Rashid likes this part of the rules, there are quick shifters, kit boxes, and things like that which are allowed.  I can't say for him that he necessarily supports that now, but I know in the past he did.  I looked at it as a problem of availability;  I seemed to be last on the list to get those items.  HRC black boxes were available in for the CBR600F2's, but I didn't have one available to me.  It was illegal, but I know a good number of people had them for AMA competition.  Might have helped me out, might not have, but I didn't have access to it.  I think I actually was given a number of someone to call for it, but its existance was denied.

I'd like to see a show.  I'd like to see the riders that I know actually have the opportunity to have some reasonable footing to compete.  There was even a time when Supersport was really a private rider race rather than an expendature of $5000 of hard earned cash to see how far into the top twenty one could get. 

I feel that it devalued the common racer, the guy that pays his own bills, drives all night, etc.  Yes, certainly, the aim of the new program is to be big like NASCAR, but I think there are more opportunities for real racers when the field is under some kind of attainable, enforceable control.

[tug296]

Roger knows what he's doing, he needs the time to get it done.
Better for all involved, except maybe the elite.

Many folks complained about the AMA for a long time, now someone is actually changing things, tuff road with many obstacles.

[Ducati23]

It seems that my initial guess about how things would go eventually is already starting to take shape.

DMG has decided to give the 1000 class a new name "American Superbike", a purse and equal billing with the 600 class "Daytona Superbike". Looks like they have dropped the dyno and HP limits and will allow modifications much like the FIM does. There a slew of other changes being tossed about as well. RRW & SBK Planet have posted some of the stuff recently.

Looks like MIC deal is simply a a RFP idea from a few members - BMW, MV, Aprilia, Ducati & Yamaha were not part of the meetings. It will get more interesting as the time draws closer for the manufacturers to decide what they are going to do. The manufacturers and DMG have to listen to each other for  any of this to work. The riders who like the current deal won't like the changes, the riders who don't care will probably not change their opinions much , but the riders who dislike the AMA's ways may be able to support the DMG changes once they are settled.

As for Roger E. having his ways of doing things or being pompous that's like calling a carrot orange. You have to go in knowing that's the case. DMG has it's agenda, the manufacturers theirs, the riders, the private teams and the track owners each have theirs. What may be overlooked is that the press has it's own agenda particularly CycleNews w/HRAbrams and RRW w/Ulrich so take what you read there with knowledge that it will carry their bias.

How any of this affects CCS/ASRA is unknown yet. It shouldn't have much impact regardless of what happens. If the classes are relatively close in configurations then it probably won't have much affect at all. There doesn't appear to be that many riders who cross over both series. It could have the affect of adding riders to ASRA/CCS if it becomes a battleground for DMG. Time will tell. 

[rogers1323]

A big part of my issue of the entire situation is that I would like to get an AMA license, hopefully even for next year.  However, the last thing I heard, both the (newly renamed) "American Superbike" and the "Daytona Superbike" classes were going to require a superbike license.  That leaves nothing but MotoST classes for any newcomer riders.  I'll be willing to consider what DMG is offering as soon as I hear some sort of confirmation that there will be a place for people like myself.  Otherwise I probably won't even watch the AMA anymore, and I'll be looking for jobs in Europe...........  

[Ducmarc]

mister salad did you have to spell check copernicus   and are you a track owner now or is it not in the stars

[Super Dave]

LOL!  No, I wasn't going to own the track.  It's a project.  I have a hard enough time figuring out how to afford keeping my little short bus running vs trying to buy land at these outrageous, crop inflated prices.

[cardzilla]

I look at it like this: the current AMA sucks and is unwatchable... and this from an AVID race fan.  RE has a great track record and despite whether you like him or not he usually ends up doing pretty well.  No matter WHAT he does it can't be worse than it is now.

You also have to remember that the US is a country full of SUVs, not bikes.  That means fewer people that can relate, which means fewer fans.  I ride a bike now because of gas prices and I see nothing but gas guzzlers all day long... not sure how all these folks afford gas.  Maybe we'll see a boom of bike sales and possible fans in the near future.

[Ducmarc]

so nick are you buying farmland to grow soy beans to make fuel to keep your bus running?   hey how bought and methanol v twin series i got some big drill bits to drill my jets out with