DMG-AMA-MotoST update...

[n2racing6]

Should the spec tire turn out to be anyone but brand D, that will create a legal issue that would rule out all 4 Japanese factory teams as all have signed contracts thru 2009 with brand D. Also, should there be a hp/weight limit on the featured class, will the torque figures also be used, as a good portion of the manufactures on have large displacement  twins. Say you ride a 120hp/45lbs. torque 4cyl 600, with hp being measured limit, you would race against a twin with the same hp.,but nearly twice the torque. Which one do you want to ride?

[firebolt]

Racing is not supposed to be fair. It's about who has the best prepared equipment and the most skilled riders, period! That's the way it has always been. There is the fast guys, and the not so fast guys, i.e. "backmarkers" like me. When you try and manufacture a mythical "level playing field" you basically destroy the whole idea of racing in the first place! To see what machine is the fastest! Gee it that so difficult to understand? And yes, Roger Edmondson is an idiot. Regards, Dan

[xb9racer]

"Racing is not supposed to be fair. "

WTF does that mean? Screw it then. I say no classes. Run what ya brung! That about as unfair as it gets. Did you really think about that statement before you typed it?

[firebolt]

I assumed that most readers here would understand I made that comment within the context of the class system. I never stated that I did not like specific classes for different machines. However within that said system there is the people that pay attention and those who do not. Kinda like natural selection. Regards, Dan

[weggieman]

Looks like I'll have a lot more time for my dual sport riding and other interests. Pro roadracing has just gone the way of the NASCAR circus.

Roger Edmondson does have a lot of experience in m/c racing but in my opinion he's not showing it here.  Obviously he didn't learn from the failed EBC endurance program. Spectators do not like endurance racing, it's boring!! As a racer it's great, I used to love competing in it but unless you're involved it's not fun.

Spec tires, spec fuel and weight limits w/rider? Sorry, I can't get excited about that. And, this will not help the manufacturers sell bikes which is the main reason they're involved in the first place. I wouldn't blame them if they all pulled out. Then DMG will have another club racing series like WERA and CCS/ASRA which we don't need.

Just my .02 cents................

[Gixxerblade]

A club racing series that has the backing of lots of promotion and other outside motorcycle sponsors. Saying that it will affect club racing contingency probably isn't true either. I think the smallest of the small stock car series (ARCA) does pretty well as well as the drivers and teams with Lucas, Torco, etc.

[n2racing6]

Did not say thus WOULD affect club racing, but COULD affect club racing---until things are sorted out and put on paper we all will just have to wait and see what the outcome will be. Don't think much will be final until July or August at the earliest, but then I may be wrong.

[weggieman]

I see tody a new update from Moto-ST. They have moved their race from June 15 to June 7..........yep, the AMA weekend. Nothing like moving into the series early.

So, that gives me a few hours to get in a round of practice for the Monday Red Flag golf outing. I'm not going to sit and watch an endurance race!

[PJ721]

see attached update to Road America AMA/Moto-ST

[Super Dave]

And, this will not help the manufacturers sell bikes which is the main reason they're involved in the first place. I wouldn't blame them if they all pulled out. Then DMG will have another club racing series like WERA and CCS/ASRA which we don't need.

Just my .02 cents................

Good point.

I'll take it another direction.

Since AMA Pro Racing hasn't developed around teams' well being and spectators through, it's only use being to sell motorcycles, that's why it has only done as well as it has.  We know it's cool, but it's not so fun when one can easily speculate the top seven week after week, year after year. 

With the manufacturers putting their support around a tiny select number of teams, it's of no use to outside potential sponsors.  So, few make any money at all, and most rotate out of AMA Pro Racing regularly only to be replaced by individuals in the same position...no manufacturer support, no team support package. 

My two pennies there. 

[weggieman]

But.......taking development out of the equation and you get what?

I for one will not sit and watch restricted racing. It's bullshit in my opinion. Spec tires, spec fuel and weight restrictions w/rider makes a no sense to me. Moto-ST is a joke and it looks like they're going to try doing the same to the rest of the series classes.

If you think this is going to bring the throngs of spectators running to get tickets well, I would really be surprised. And I may be but I will not be one of them. Nascar has those fans fooled and i guess they'll try the same with the motorcycle fans now.

[Super Dave]

Doesn't the AMA feature restricted racing already?  Stock cranks and rods, stock lift cams, and when was the last AMA Superbike race won on anything other than Dunlop?

I think there are plenty of racers that have struggled to get bikes within four to six months as the manufacturer teams, and then getting some kit parts that are available to the manufacturer teams can be impossible. 

From the track and the paddock side, I've watched the gap become a bit bigger between the manufacturer teams and the others.  I don't think that's because they've developed the human racer better through years of genetics and motivation, but I do think it comes from more and more testing and availability of parts and opportunities that most can't buy and those with unlimited funds aren't even allowed to buy.


MotoST is a different model.  I can't say that I have insight on whether it will be at all events, but I don't know if side cars really added to the AMA program at Road America, but I would probably feel that they did add something to the AHRMA event the weekend later.