r6 snorkle removal.. PLEASE!

[MELK-MAN]

now that the ducati now has a "middleweight" machine that makes 130hp out of the box on pump gas, how about allowing us 06-07r6 owners to remove that friggin hp robbing snorkle off the air cleaner for supersport classes... 8)

[d-wire]

not an airbox modification.  Its an airfilter modification.  Thats my stance

[Eric Kelcher]

Is this what you are referring to?

http://www.ccsracing.us/news/old/2007ridernotices.html

4.17.07 > YAMAHA YZF600 R6 AIRBOX ISSUE IN SUPERSPORT <

It has come to my attention that we have a special issue with the air-filter on 2006 and 2007 Yamaha YZF600 R6s. These models have a plastic assembly built into the lower portion of the filter from the factory that restricts the air intake. This plastic assembly is considered part of the airbox when the filter is properly fitted into place and must be intact to pass SuperSport inspection.

2007 Rulebook - 6.1.2.D. Original equipment air box must remain as produced. Air filters must be used but may be Aftermarket units. Aftermarket air filters are restricted to units available via normal commercial channels and designed for that specific model machine. Aftermarket air filter units that replace part of the OEM. airbox are required to maintain the original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit.

As of this time, I have been informed the K&N filter does not have that assembly while BMC is making a street/stock replacement and a race version. The race version is not SuperSport legal while the street/stock version must have the plastic assembly installed to be legal which is a removable piece.

If anyone finds information to contradict or expound on this information, please forward the findings to me so that we can get the word out to the other inspectors. We are attempting to have a mold made that will be similar to the 1st generation SV650 air filter go - no go gauge.

Eric Kelcher, Director of Competition
email: Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us


If so, no it is not changed for 2008 season. air box must remain with same number and size of air inlets

[Super Dave]

The Ducati 848 in middleweight is still pretty ridiculous. 

[d-wire]

yes eric.  It is attached to the air filter.  I was disqualified from a race last year for having it removed.  I thought it was part of the filter, not the airbox. 

[roadracer162]

Sounds like the 848 should be Heavyweight and not Middleweight.

[Super Dave]

Sounds like the 848 should be Heavyweight and not Middleweight.

Yeah, with 40% more displacement than a standard middleweight...

Still needs a good rider, but it's very, very short sighted. 

Rules were changed for the SV650's arrival.  Maybe the GSXR750 should be reclassified as a middleweight because of it's philosophy. 

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

And how many 848's do we expect to see in CCS? I expect 0 in the MW region. The only time I seen a 1098 at a race was a spectators at teh 2nd to last BHF.

[Super Dave]

Does that matter?

You don't see too many new CBR600RR's either.

I've had a 1098 at my school.

[roadracer162]

I think there were 3 at Homestead in February. Dave I gotta agree with you on this one.

Mark

[MELK-MAN]

ok.. but the snorkle is attached to the air filter and is not attached to the air box, it just fits onto the air box when the filter gets screwed in place. Kind of a grey area really. Sure would be nice to be able to remove it.

[backMARKr]

And how many 848's do we expect to see in CCS? I expect 0 in the MW region.

Don't see too many handguns here at the high school, but ironically we still have regs to deal with that circumstance..... 8)

[TommyG]

ok.. but the snorkle is attached to the air filter and is not attached to the air box, it just fits onto the air box when the filter gets screwed in place. Kind of a grey area really. Sure would be nice to be able to remove it.

It was only a grey area until they posted a clear ruling on it last year. Now it`s just illegal. case closed.

[TommyG]

And how many 848's do we expect to see in CCS? I expect 0 in the MW region. The only time I seen a 1098 at a race was a spectators at teh 2nd to last BHF.

Temme an Martinez plan on riding their 848s in MW when motost scheduling allows.

[d-wire]

If you unbolt the air filter and throw it at the wall.....the "snorkel" hit the wall and is not attached to the airbox.  Obviously they made a ruling.  I believe this thread was intended to get the thinking behind that or have them reconsider.

[Boober]

If you unbolt the air filter and throw it at the wall.....the "snorkel" hit the wall and is not attached to the airbox.  Obviously they made a ruling.  I believe this thread was intended to get the thinking behind that or have them reconsider.

Ya think?  Is that why a guy like Melka who is an experienced roadracer posted here?  He wants a rule changed? Really?  I suppose you want me to believe he races a R6 !!!!!??

[tstruyk]

Don't see too many handguns here at the high school, but ironically we still have regs to deal with that circumstance..... 8)

noted!!     

[JBraun]

It is pretty ridiculous.
You can have an overbore motor, titanium exhaust, aftermarket filter, FI programmer, quick shifter, traction control system, and $22 per gallon rocket fuel, and still be supersport legal...

but pull the restrictor out of the airbox and you get disqualified. 

How about some consistency?

[Super Dave]

It is pretty ridiculous.
You can have an overbore motor, titanium exhaust, aftermarket filter, FI programmer, quick shifter, traction control system, and $22 per gallon rocket fuel, and still be supersport legal...

but pull the restrictor out of the airbox and you get disqualified. 

How about some consistency?

It's not attached to the air box.  It's attached to the air filter.

I think you can remove the starter, the charging system, back cut the transmission, and use those cool ceramic brake rotors too, as long as they are the stock diameter.

[Super Dave]

Don't forget, you can replace the intake snorkels, the velocity stacks, on air boxes as they are not considered part of the air box.

[Eric Kelcher]

This has me confused, Cermaic brake rotors are not legal in any class, as of now, The restrictor that is bolted on the air filter of the 06- Yamaha R6 becomes part of the air box when the filter is bolted into place so it is part of air box.  There was confusion on this issues and why addressed this model specifiaclly last year. The intake snorkels are also part of the air box and if the size or number of openings change it is not SS legal.

[d-wire]

I respect your decision Eric.  Thanks for all you do and for answering my many questions lately.  THanks for fixing that grid mistake at Daytona and it made a difference in the race in a positive way. 

Id rather that snorkel be considered part of the filter, but that is racing.....

[Team_Serpent]

Guys,

I wouldn't freak out about the 848 being in MW stuff.

First off (MELK-MAN), it doesn't make 130hp out of the box on pump gas

Even in race trim it doesn't make 130hp on pump.

Will it be a contender? Yes

Will it be a dominator? No

IMHO even after a year of development I don't think you'll see it dominate.

Don't get me wrong the bike is super cool and a blast to ride, won't suprise me if we win a few more races this year but don't get your panties in a bundle just yet.

[lonewrench]

just so you guys know the snorkel as you guys call it is not there to rob horse power, its there to reduce air box noise.In addition running the snorkel doesnt make a differance in hp either.What it does do is make you not able to clean your air filter and yes they get filthy weekly. In my opinion the unit is not needed.When you take it out if it makes you feel better bitchin' if you want to run it do it,but either way you arent gonna win or lose a race over it,not even close! As far as the unit its not part of the air box,If you were to gather the info from the source,Yamaha-Motor and not a local dealer they would tell you that.At any rate when I do race CCS events i just go ahead and drop the snorkel in,no fuss,no muss.Fuck it, why argue at tech over some bullshit like that?

[MELK-MAN]

just so you guys know the snorkel as you guys call it is not there to rob horse power, its there to reduce air box noise.In addition running the snorkel doesnt make a differance in hp either.What it does do is make you not able to clean your air filter and yes they get filthy weekly. In my opinion the unit is not needed.When you take it out if it makes you feel better bitchin' if you want to run it do it,but either way you arent gonna win or lose a race over it,not even close! As far as the unit its not part of the air box,If you were to gather the info from the source,Yamaha-Motor and not a local dealer they would tell you that.At any rate when I do race CCS events i just go ahead and drop the snorkel in,no fuss,no muss.Fuck it, why argue at tech over some bullshit like that?

Your wrong stating the snorkle does not rob hp.. My tuner and I have hours of dyno proof that it DOES rob hp.. not just me either, i have other friends with the 06-07 r6 that show 2-3hp INCREASE from midrange on up to peak with the snorkle removed. Lonewrench.. do you have dyno proof to dispute this?? the snorkle does what you indicated in your above post, but at the EXPENSE of airflow at higher rpm. Yes, it is what it is.. and if CCS says it becomes part ot the airbox and you get dq'd if you run it in ss class so be it.. End of discussion.

[George_Linhart]

I like pie.

[lonewrench]

ok then bitch about the snorkels, we had them in at Jennings and the Sassaman kids still kicked your ass! Snorkel, no snorkel. The rider means more than ywo horse you say you lose.(yes i have dyno info).Dont be a tool just ride harder.

[live4moto]

Ok so I guess this means that the rubber snorkle on the 2nd gen sv650 must stay in place too, right?

[race712]

Ok so I guess this means that the rubber snorkle on the 2nd gen sv650 must stay in place too, right?

for supersport - definite yes.