To catch a cheater

[Clarkie]

So is it a conflict of interest if the tech guy works for a shop that builds engines, then a week before they are planning a teardown the shop calls all their 'A' riders to tell them they are going to be torn down and to remove said illegal parts or ride a completely different bike?

Yes this happens at a certain club that isnt CCS all the time, this year (for the first time in 4+ years) there is an independant tech guy, hopefully it will change

[gpz11]

Well, I guess people would be concerned IF the riders they build engines for won all the races.

[JBraun]

So is it a conflict of interest if the tech guy works for a shop that builds engines, then a week before they are planning a teardown the shop calls all their 'A' riders to tell them they are going to be torn down and to remove said illegal parts or ride a completely different bike?

Yes this happens at a certain club that isnt CCS all the time, this year (for the first time in 4+ years) there is an independant tech guy, hopefully it will change

Hayes' bike was torn down because he won, not because it was time for some random inspection. If a rider with a 4&6 motor won the 200, as unlikely as that may be, he would have been torn down as well.

Honda knew that their bike was going to be inspected at the conclusion of the race. They were counting on the AMA to do what they've always done and look the other way. Good for Rashid in this case for holding them accountable.

[Clarkie]

Well, I guess people would be concerned IF the riders they build engines for won all the races.

well they had won the #1 plate 4-5 times in a row and almost all the MW championships, so yeah, it made a difference

[double_d]

you don't have to have a cheater motor to win a ccs #1 plate in the midwest. you just have to have a big check book and the desire to race a lot of races over he weekend. there are several people over the last decade in the midwest who won (bought) the #1 plate. i would agree that the rider is more of the equation untill you get to the top 5 riders in the midwest. i have raced with these guys i know my motor is legal and with the exception of one of those people my bike is equal to the rest. so i don't think it is fair to accuse any won of cheating. besides if you think they are put your money where your mouth is and tear them down.

[Clarkie]

this is a non-CCS club where the premier class (like UN-GP) top ten run those plates

[gpz11]

Are we are still talking about 4&6? Unless I'm wrong and I very well could be, 4&6 was building engines for SafetyFirst for AMA last year. Who did they build engines for running in CCS?

well they had won the #1 plate 4-5 times in a row and almost all the MW championships, so yeah, it made a difference

[Clarkie]

i said several time, not a CCS club, there are other clubs out there

[gpz11]

Oh sorry, I must have missed that part. So what club are we talking about that 4&6 built cheater motors for?

i said several time, not a CCS club, there are other clubs out there

[Clarkie]

dude, you need to read my first post, never said 4&6, never said CCS, I asked if it is a conflict of interest

[gpz11]

Well, I'd say yes, if the person building the engines was the tech inspector and his engines were winning all the races, then yes, you have a problem (conflict of interest). I'd go after the organization about it.

dude, you need to read my first post, never said 4&6, never said CCS, I asked if it is a conflict of interest

[JBraun]

you don't have to have a cheater motor to win a ccs #1 plate in the midwest. you just have to have a big check book and the desire to race a lot of races over he weekend. there are several people over the last decade in the midwest who won (bought) the #1 plate.

It's been bought several times for sure.
The performance index thing helps. You're right, there are a lot of capable bikes on the grid, and fast riders still win the races.

I hear a lot of talk about Brian Hall's bikes and how fast they are, and I think a lot of people are misinformed. Farrell does a good job putting them together, and they are very quick, but they're nothing special. I've seen Brian's bikes on the dyno and last year they made less than 120hp.
It's also worth noting that Brian runs completely stock forks on both his bikes.

I hate when guys use equipment as an excuse. As though Hall has some super-prototype mystery bike that rides itself as long as you throw stacks of $100 bills at it.

This is not directed at double-d, he just brought up a good point...