Stay AM or petititon for EX?

[Team_Serpent]

BTW, I'm not sure there's anything I can upgrade on my planned racebike, if I ever get it back.    It's a 749R.

Rob,

I told John probably a week or two ago to tell you to go get that bike.  If they haven't touched it that's even better.  Say the word and I will hook up the trailer and go get it.  I'll even deliver it to your place or take it straight to Valley for you.

[RSimmons]

I talked to them a few days ago and it should be done this week. Lesson learned, it only took 6+ months. For future reference, does valley have a computrack?

[grasshopper]

Rob,

I just got off the phone with Brian at Valley and he said he does not have a way to check a frame as good as computrac.

6+ months? Jeesh... Did they redesign the entire machine for you?

[Team_Serpent]

Oh, that's right you needed frame geometry help.  No, Valley doesn't have a system for that.  The only computrack location I can personally recommend is Atlanta - Kent Soignier is the man.

Do you know for a fact that it needed to be straightend?

Go here http://gmdcomputrack.com/customer_information_page.htm to download a savings certificate that may help you.

Good luck and I hope it was done right.

[RSimmons]

they put it on the machine and said it was tweaked. You think I should get a second opinion?
Give me a call, if you'd rather. Tommy Cwreck has my number.

[Team_Serpent]

they put it on the machine and said it was tweaked. You think I should get a second opinion?

It's your bike and your decision, I already told John what I would do.  PM sent

[Beaz]

Hello i told him the info thats when the shop caught fire

    John

[red900]

There is merit to your post.  The question is how much track time is enough?  Obviously it's different for each person. 

I think anyone that is intending to race (At least from pretty much EVERYONE that I've ridden with) has been a backroads rider at one time and has plenty of experience knowing what they and their bike are capable of.

I didn't even know club level racing existed until a fellow backroads rider told me about it.  I went and did a Bargy licensing school one weekend and knew right then and there that I wanted to do it.  I did not know that there were multitudes of trackday schools around.

So, I waited a year and had to take another school to get my CCS license.  After that I started racing.  I didn't set the world on fire which was fine by me.  But I also never worried about taking anyone out or doing anything stupid on the track either.

Sure, someone can set back and run shitloads of trackdays for three years and check their laptimes then come out knowing what their capable of.  But someone else can come from the backroads and do just as well.

Since trackdays don't typically allow passing like during a race, how is that helping you get prepared to race?  The first time someone stuffs it up the inside of you is most likely going to happen during a race anyway.  Other times, the passing rules are tame enough at trackdays that you might as well be on the street.

Another important part of racing is the start (don't ask me how I know about this :)  Do trackdays teach this?

I say if you aren't out there dominating the AM's this year (i.e. consistently placing top 3), then you should stay back.  If during the middle of the year you feel like you're kicking ass, then move up if you want.

I can tell you that in the advanced group in Nesba, it is treated as a race practice..  But, passing should be safe.  You can learn plenty of passing skills at a trackday, I have proven it. 

You cannot compare riding on the street to trackdays or racing.  Riding on the street is NOTHING like riding on the track.   Very little skill similarity in my opinion. 

Trackdays do not really teach you starting, but you could be the best starter in the nation, yet lose every race if you dont have the main skills...   Starting is pretty low on the priority list of what it take is be a winner at a CCS race.

[red900]

Dustin,

I'm guessing your goal is to take over the lead in the smite count by Jan. 1st.......

Right??

This coming from you???   The professional shit starter...

[red900]

some folks take it more seriously than others. my business is the only thing i take seriously. i've had far more fun battling it out to keep from being dead last than i ever have in a track day and i've never gone out with the slightest intent of winning. ever. i'd like to but i'll never lose sleep over it. the enjoyment of  the competition itself is just as enjoyable regardless of where you are in the pack. at least for me anyway. i guess i'd rather go home happy about what happened rather than leaving pissed about what didn't. or are you just upset that i didn't do any track days last year but i did buy five of them for other people but made the stipulation that they couldn't be used for nesba track days? maybe i'm off. i dunno. or maybe something from the friend of a friend. just a guess.   
and i had 3 bikes. 

Quite honestly, I could'nt care less about you or where you spend your money.  Based on the fact that Nesba is the largest trackday organization in the nation,  I think losing your money is of very little concern.  Im kinda happy I dont have to deal with whiners like you when I am there.   
I have had some of the best competition and the most fun at trackdays..  They work, Marshall and I have proven it.

[red900]

As for this post.    I would say do as your heart desires.  THERE IS PLENTY OF GOOD COMPETITION IN THE AMATEUR LEAGUE!!  There is also plenty to be learned as an amateur.  And no matter what they say, It feel pretty damn satisfying to win as an amateur, that wont happen as an expert without lots of money and support.  At least not in the 600, 750, 1000 classes.  It becomes a money game as you get up in the Experts... 

Seriously, Do whatever makes you happy it is your dime....

and since it feels good
Dustin Boyd
4 Time Amateur National Champion  - 2007
5 Regional Championships - 2007
4 Track Championships - 2007

Yep, that felt good even if they are just amateur    HAHAHAHA  Smite Away!!!!!

[r1owner]

I can tell you that in the advanced group in Nesba, it is treated as a race practice..  But, passing should be safe.  You can learn plenty of passing skills at a trackday, I have proven it. 

Really?  Just like a race? I've not been to a NESBA day so I'll take your word on that.  I seem to remember Marshall saying quite a few times in "The Rookie Papers" that he had a trackday mentality when it came to passing and it took him a while to overcome it. 

IMO, ALL passing should be safe... racing for first place going into the last turn on the last lap should be a safe pass just as it is when I pass a car on the interstate.  Will they have the same intensity... no, but there's no reason they both can't be done safely.

You cannot compare riding on the street to trackdays or racing.  Riding on the street is NOTHING like riding on the track.   Very little skill similarity in my opinion. 

I've done enough racing and riding on the street to know that a fast backroads rider that's never raced could come off having never been on the track and do some pretty impressive riding.   Believe me there a plenty of crazy motherfuckers on the street that ride well beyond what they should... just go to killboy.com and take a look at some of those pics.

Trackdays do not really teach you starting, but you could be the best starter in the nation, yet lose every race if you dont have the main skills...   Starting is pretty low on the priority list of what it take is be a winner at a CCS race.

Not much arguement from me there, but if you've never started, or went 10 bikes into T1 during a trackday, it's not going to help you prepare for that moment.   That's the point I'm trying to make.