Moto ST

[BadBoyRR]

Roger will do exactly what he did with CCS, whatever is best for Roger!

He was an ass back then so I can only surmise that he remains an ass to this day. I would beware of anything his fingers are in!

[Super Dave]

LOL!

Well, CCS was successful.  The AMA is still using his format successfully.  Club level contingency was Roger's idea. 

[wolf44]

I think the main reason for moving races from Saturday to Sunday at Road Am was because there were so many crashes that backed things up and Moto-ST had its allotted time for practice.  Now if you were in Moto-ST and you lost your Saturday practice to another org because of their crashes don't you think you'd be pissed?  I was actually happy they moved the races to sunday, it gave me time to get my bike back together....yes I was one of those guys that caused the delay.

About them piggybacking with other org's I see that as a good plan to start with.  You've got a captive motorcycle racing audience that they may be able to pull some people over to come and race with them too. 

I would be pissed if I got booted out of my garage at Daytona too.  Thats in the past and what needs to happen is some phone calls need to be made and the right people need to be talked to, to make sure that doesn't happen again....that or don't go

Hey Noidly....you don't like Moto-ST's rules...don't go race with them.  NASBIKE ::)
I for one like the spec stuff.  Theres not need to worry about someone being on better tires, using better fuel, having more HP, etc etc.  I see it as a good way to put winning down to rider skill and good decision making.  I don't think that one series using thier tire as a spec tire will completly change thier factory or pirelli's R&D dept.  Every weekend racers in other series can choose to race on pirelli's or not.  If they make a better tire than everyone else every, racer will want to be on those tires, more motivation for better tires.  I'm sure Moto-ST is a small blip on pirelli's overall financial charts. 

I for one would love to go race with Moto-ST, couple more years of learning and getting faster maybe I will (why did I sell my sv again?)

[Super Dave]

And NASBike already existed.  CCS's national series was the North American Sport Bike series.  That stopped at the end of 1999 when Roger E sold CCS to CCE and the FUSA name was purchased.  The ASRA series is the linear change from that.  There were better purses in NASB and FUSA for a while, though compared to ASRA now.  That's not CCS's fault.  More long stories.

[Noidly1]

Hey Noidly....you don't like Moto-ST's rules...don't go race with them.  NASBIKE ::)
I for one like the spec stuff.

Well it just burns me that some Corporate santioned series is limiting, controlling ones personal freedoms of choice.
It just seems to me that our freedom is going by the wayside in favor of money...
Can't take personal pictures or video, can't do this, can't do that, and so on.

If there are concerns of Equality on the track and make everything the same for all riders, then have an IROC for bikes.
I know, I know, Now your gonna say something about Manufacturers.
So where does it stop?

I remenber back in the day there was a series that not only limited what you had but made it MANDITORY that
if someone walked up and wanted to buy your bike, you HAVE to sell it to them for not more than $10,0000.00.
This was to keep major teams from putting too much money in their bikes annd keep the playing field equal.

I too would like to get paid to race or even win some money. But not at the cost of my personal Freedom.

That is all I was trying to say.

[PJ721]

I think you may be misunderstanding - they aren't stopping you from taking pictures or video...you just can't profit from it unless you have a media pass. I have plenty of pics from the series this year...

I dont see where any personal freedoms were limited.

Very easy - you don't like it - don't run it.

[Super Dave]

Additionally, the corporation actually knows how to make money.  Look at NASCAR teams.  They employ drivers, PR people. tire changers, truck drivers, IT guys, hospitality, and on and on and on within a motorsports industry that didn't exist years ago.

One could work at a same ol' crappy job doing lawn maintenance, roofing, driving for a freight carrier, or a personal fitness center...

Or you could do that or more for a race team.  It's a choice. 

Every series has rules.  You can't run slicks in Supersport either. 

I don't like spec stuff myself, but I do recognize opportunities.  MotoST seems like an opportunity to develop a ground level program in the early development of a racing series put on by individuals that are looking for long term opportunities.  This isn't to say that CCS or WERA don't have long term opportunities, but they are club racing organizations.  And they have an important place in the motorcycle road racing community, but the final result of the MotoST experience will certainly be different.  I don't have a crystal ball, but I do recognize where they have made statements about where they are going and where they want to be.  Don't expect changes overnight, but it will change.

[wolf44]

You're free to sit at home on the couch. 

Well it just burns me that some Corporate santioned series is limiting, controlling ones personal freedoms of choice.
It just seems to me that our freedom is going by the wayside in favor of money...
Can't take personal pictures or video, can't do this, can't do that, and so on.

If there are concerns of Equality on the track and make everything the same for all riders, then have an IROC for bikes.
I know, I know, Now your gonna say something about Manufacturers.
So where does it stop?

I remenber back in the day there was a series that not only limited what you had but made it MANDITORY that
if someone walked up and wanted to buy your bike, you HAVE to sell it to them for not more than $10,0000.00.
This was to keep major teams from putting too much money in their bikes annd keep the playing field equal.

I too would like to get paid to race or even win some money. But not at the cost of my personal Freedom.

That is all I was trying to say.

[xb9racer]

Running spec rules also makes it more of a level playing field when it comes to money. Some teams have major sponsors. Some few, if any.
I think it's smart, otherwise it may end up like AMA Superbike, or even MotoGP to a certain degree. Was there ever any question as to who was going to win any of those races?
WSB rocked this year, and if I'm not mistaken, they ran at least spec tires. Just levels the game, that's all.

[Noidly1]

I can see having limitations on motor mods and having a spec fuel i.e.; % O2 or fuel gravity but not by brand or product.
As for tires, If you are limited to only commercialy available tires, what difference does brand make?

[PJ721]

spec fuel and tires ...it's just the rules Moto-ST goes by...do they have to do it? dunno....didn't really care -

but we were getting a pretty good deal for a set of Pirellis - can't recall the exact price but it was less for a set to use in Moto-ST than it was for myself in CCS. so in that sense...it's a good thing.

[Noidly1]

So I guess it is about money.
They, Moto-ST, get sponsor money from Pirelli and part of the contract is that to get the money riders have to buy their tires, thereby they, Pirelli, recoupe sponsorship money from tire sales and give riders a price break.