4&6 Bash fest! Post here!

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

Chief from 4&6 has stated that this forum has been bashing 4&6 in the past and that it is now in the present bashing them again.
I personally have nothing against 4&6 as I have never had them do any work for me so how can I bash their work right? I'm just stating facts to cover my ass & reputation.

As you can see from Brian Hall's ZX6R post in the classifieds section I stated what happened to his bike and yes I listed the shop that did this work because myself (owner of Speed Tech Motorsports), did not perform any work that caused this bike to have the problems it did before I fixed it. Yes Brian had problems in the past with the work that was performed by 4&6. I just simply stated what happened to the bike before I fixed it and the diagnosis & work done to the bike to fix it, just to answer peoples questions as to what happened as to why Brian posted that the engine was just rebuilt after he made an earlier post where he quoted "i used this bike for 2 races last year and it is like new".
Brian later went on to say this in a later post, "for people that are interested the engine has been complety refreshed 2 weeks ago
it has new pistons, rods, rod bearings, rist pins and rings."
I just wanted to make it clear that it was not me or my shops bad doing that caused a motor to need all these parts replaced after just only 2 races. Our motors last way longer than that. The reason these parts were replaced is because some mistakes were made by the former shop not us. The parts needed to be replaced or it would have let go. So the motor is completely fresh & new and is running like it should.
If Chief 4&6 can't handle the truth that he can deal with it in his own way. So you feel bad for yourself. 
He has never posted on this forum before and came onto this site saying that people from this site are bashing 4&6. I stated the truth and had no bashing intended. I didn't start a thread bashing 4&6 when I posted what I did. Since you won't let it go I'll start this thread to keep it off Brian's page to sell his bike.
Fire away Chief! I'm sure with your attitude you'll have plenty to say.
I said what I needed to say and I'm done. I've got no intentions on bashing anyone. Don't take it the wrong way. What are these threads good for anyways. Just a bunch of shit talkers on a keyboard. More than half the crap you read on threads wouldn't get spoken to the persons face directly. Identify yourself and say it to my face next time I see you.
If anyone wants I have the parts at my shop from that motor & photos of everything if they have questions.
Chief you started this not me.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

If other people have bashed you in the past, its not my problem. Take it up with them.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

The guy then goes on to say this!

"jason, don't get all angry

sorry i dont sit on forums all night wasting my life away.

as for who i am, and what i do, and how i can justify my actions jason,
the 911 bike , bobby fong, had no problems shaking you off at road america

4and6 built

so next time you want to bring up our "mistakes" and our "problems" with buliding bikes, check the results"

What does that have anything to do with the sale of Brian Halls bike?
He still doesn't even identify himself.
Who does this guy think he is? We could all check results and see that I beat his riders in the past but I don't give a rats ass about that. I'm not boasting myself here. Dude, you need a reality check man!
Come find me and say that to my face.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

I happen to talk to Bobby Fong and know Kevin Hanson & Scotty Ryan quite well.
What do their results have to do with what happened to Brian's bike?

Explain that Chief!

[chief4n6]

no. the fact of bobby fong statement was to prove that 4n6 bikes seem to perform quite well.

and the point when you wrote what does this have to do with brian halls bike, its goes both ways, you didnt have to say about how 4n6 made many mistakes, why couldnt you let it be?

[Burt Munro]

I have my stopwatch running for how long this thread runs until it's locked!!! 

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

Chief just so you know your digging yoursef & your team a hole right now.

I"m talking about reliabilty in building an engine here. Not race results. So how many motors blew up on your team in the last 3 seasons? Should we even start.
JIm you better tell your chief to cool his jets. I've got stories but I'll keep em to myself out of respect for Jim & Safety First Racing.
Chief I don't know who you think you are but you have lots to learn.

I'll tell everyone that yes my first engine blew up this season on my own bike because we ran aluminum clutch plates. The plates overheated and cracked of which tore up the fiber plates & blocked the pickup screen from oil which caused a starvation of oil and the crank bearings seized which caused the rod to snap and it destroyed my brand new motor of which only had 402 miles on it. 4&6 also had this same problem at barber this season But their motor didn't blow up. They caught it in time. We no longer run aluminum plates because they don't last. Not my doing.

Shit happens right. I'm not bashing you guys at all. I know of things I can say but I won't do it. Jim tell your boy to pipe down.

[chief4n6]

jason you've turned this into an all out defensive on your part

all i wanted to say is why you had to make sure u mentioned how 4 and 6 made many mistakes.

jim doesn't have to tell me to pipe down, i can take care of myself thank you

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

no. the fact of bobby fong statement was to prove that 4n6 bikes seem to perform quite well.

and the point when you wrote what does this have to do with brian halls bike, its goes both ways, you didnt have to say about how 4n6 made many mistakes, why couldnt you let it be?

What does Bobby Fongs results by beating me have to do with proving that 4&6 bike perform quite well? It doesn't what so ever. Bobby is a good rider for sure. You guys did great as a team for sure. No argument there at all. But it still has nothing to do with why I had to repair Brians bike does it? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Hey everyone out there who reads this thread: For the record Bobby Fong did quite well this season on his 4&6 prepared GSXR 600 this season!!!! Yeah!
Tony Meiring put in some great finishes despite slow bikes all year! Yeah! As a team they did great!
But all in all still what does any of this have to do with Brian's bike?

If anyone wants to get their bikes prepared by 4&6 go right ahead. I have nothing against it. Everyone should judge for themselves. Who knows you might be able to go as fast as Bobby Fong if you do. But am I now bashing Bobby riding skills by saying the only reason he went fast is because of a 4&6 prepared bike? No its the team effort & luck.
Good luck to Safety First Racing, Bobby Fong, & 4&6 Racing with whatever they are doing now since they moved on from Safety First Racing.

Look chief bury the hatchet & move on.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

Can anyone Identify the chief since he won't identify himself or herself?

[chief4n6]

well i think its great that your deciding to bury the hatchet on a thread you started.

your getting away from my point here jason
if you have "nothing against 4n6" then dont go on talking about all my mistakes
thats my point. thank you
time for this to end jason
you can stop defending yourself

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

For the last time. I have nothing against 4&6. I just stated facts.
Did I mention to anyone not to take your bikes or motors to 4&6? Did I? Come on tell me I did! I wanna hear it. Your missing the whole point. Remember "Shit Happens"
I was there to fix the "Shit" that "Happened"

[chief4n6]

that was cute man.

end the thread you started.
and it will be over.
until you start it again

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

well i think its great that your deciding to bury the hatchet on a thread you started.

Don't forget I started this thread to stop YOUR ranting about how I'm bashing on 4&6 in a thread thats intended to sell a bike.

I got it out of there and brought it here like I said I would in that thread.
Bury the hatchet on your thinking that I'm bashing 4&6.
Man, after saying this as many times as I have our readers will be thinking this is a 4&6 advertisment!

[chief4n6]

if you werent so defensive it would of ended long ago buddy

but thanks for the free advertisment

[Burt Munro]

Jason,

I don't have a horse in this race.  (or a dog in this fight as Michael Vick would say!)

I have to admit that when I read your post on the repairs you had to make on Brian's bike it was pretty obvious.  Could you have said the same thing about correcting the problems without mentioning 4 & 6?  Yes.  

I think that as far as informing people why they could buy his bike without any reliability concerns you could have stated the same facts without mentioning who did the previous work and accomplished the same thing.  

By clearly stating that you had to correct work done by 4 & 6 you opened the door on this.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

I don't take shit from people your right. Espescially when your hiding your name. Coward are ya huh?

[chief4n6]

burt whoever you are... im glad you finally said something on that.

remember jason about talking shit through keyboards... calling me a coward might be along those lines.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

Jason,

I don't have a horse in this race.  

I have to admit that when I read your post on the repairs you had to make on Brian's bike it was pretty obvious.  Could you have said the same thing about correcting the problems without mentioning 4 & 6?  Yes.  

I think that as far as informing people why they could buy his bike without any reliability concerns you could have stated the same facts without mentioning who did the previous work and accomplished the same thing.  

By clearly stating that you had to correct work done by 4 & 6 you opened the door on this.

Brian did state that he had the work done by us. If I would have stated what happened without mentioning the who, I believed that people would just think I made it up to cover my own ass. Sorry but the truth hurts sometimes. Look if people are judging others on based on what they heard in a forum without judging for themselves then thats their problem. Not mine.
If someone said I screwed up a guys motor and they had to fix it and they had to explain the situation they are not bashing me they are just stating what happened.
Here is what I said, "Nothing against 4n6 performance and their work but something didn't go right several times over so he had me rebuild it and its good to go now." What does that say?

NOTHING AGAINST 4n6 performance in the original post!
SOMETHING DIDN'T GO RIGHT SEVERAL TIMES. Correct. Because shit happens right.
I rebuilt it and it's good to go now. / Right so the propective buyer doesn't have to worry about the motor going bad because I even put my stamp of approval on it in front of the whole world to see!

I know as an engine builder things can go wrong & mistakes can happen. So they made a mistake and I fixed it. I didn't say their work was bad did I?
Take your bike there & make your own judgement. Hopefully it will be a good one and you can decide for yourself. Just like I hope everyone judges me & my shop the same way. Because in the end actions speak louder than words right?

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

remember jason about talking shit through keyboards... calling me a coward might be along those lines.

Why don't you tell me who you are then? Answer that.

[Burt Munro]

Jason,

I'm not a big fan of 4 & 6.  I know Jim a little bit, I know Brian a little and I've talked to you a couple of times.

But here are direct quotes from your posts in two versions.... one mentioning 4 & 6 and one that doesn't.  You can say you weren't bashing them but you could have avoided it.


This bike is ready to go period! I mean this bike has everything done to it. There is no better turn key (or flip switch) race bike to buy. With race fuel this bike is capable of producing 120-122 HP.

Brian is a stand up guy for sure. There was a strange noise inside the engine after it was built by 4n6.   There was a strange noise inside the engine after it was built.


Not taking any chances he had me take the engine apart & fix the problem. Turns out the engine had wore out rods/wrist pins/pistons and cylinders. This engine was built by 4n6 after the original motor they built for him blew up for the 2nd time after only running for no more than 100 miles in early 2006.  This engine was built by a shop after the original motor they built for him blew up for the 2nd time after only running for no more than 100 miles in early 2006.


After waiting all season 4n6 finally built him another completely brand new engine. He rode the bike one weekend at Mid-Ohio AMA at the end of 2006. After waiting all season the shop finally built him another completely brand new engine. He rode the bike one weekend at Mid-Ohio AMA at the end of 2006.


The bike went up for sale since he bought a new pair of 2007 ZX6R's. He hadn't rode the bike since.  I built his 2007 race bikes and we as you can see by our results, have had a successful season on the new bikes. They are very fast & reliable engines.
While his 2006 race bike was for sale he took it for a lap around blackhawk in the middle of 2007 and noticed the bike was not running right and it started making noises in the top end area. He had me look into it so we ripped the motor apart to find many wore out parts. A few parts used by 4n6 to put the new engine together were old parts from other engines such as the rods / pistons / wrist pins .  A few parts used by the original shop to put the new engine together were old parts from other engines such as the rods / pistons / wrist pins .


So now with another motor that only had maybe 200 miles on it, the thing needed a rebuild. This bike had costed Brian over $20,000 to build & maintain of which he only put 300 miles on the chassis.

The bike has no time on it and is basically brand new! It has the best of the best components on it.

You can't duplicate building another race bike like this one for anywhere near $9000.
I rebuilt the engine and put it through its paces on the dyno and it is back to where it should. I guarantee all the parts in the engine where checked for proper specs and put back together. The rods, rod bearings, wrist pins, pistions, circlips are all brand new and the cylinder was also repaired. It has a Kit head gasket installed and was measured for proper squish. The cams are degreed. Valve clearances are perfect. Everything was checked.  Kit Blackbox, quickshifter, penske rear triple shock, attack rearsets, quick turn throttle (worth $550 alone from Kawasaki0 and tons more stuff.

I'm just saying that Brian is a stand up guy for having this motor checked out & fixed before selling it. Tons of bikes are for sale in which the ad says the motor was freshend up prior to sale and the are feeding you some BS and don't have any proof.

I personally stand behind this engine just like all my motors.
Brian doesn't build the bikes so he can't really explain properly what was done to the motor. Nothing against 4n6 performance and their work but something didn't go right several times over so he had me rebuild it and its good to go now.  Nothing against the other shop and their work but something didn't go right several times over so he had me rebuild it and its good to go now.

This motor isn't a lemon or something like that. The bike was given to 4n6 to build from brand new and they made many mistakes with the engine as he also had problems with them building his 2005 ZX6R's until he changed engine builders in the middle of 2006 to Brian Connelly.  The bike was given to the other shop to build from brand new and they made many mistakes with the engine as he also had problems with them building his 2005 ZX6R's until he changed engine builders in the middle of 2006 to Brian Connelly.


He is now racing for Speed Tech Racing as I build his bikes.
FYI the motor rebuild costed him almost $2000. At least he knows he isn't going to screw anyone over with a bum engine.  If anyone has a questions about the engine work feel free to give me a call at my shop @ (920) 236-0000. Nobody wants to talk about other engine builders having problems building engines but in this case I don't have a choice.
Jason Farrell

You could have said the same thing in your post without calling out 4 & 6.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

"You can say you weren't bashing them but you could have avoided it." Quoted by Burt.

Yes your right I could have avoided what? The truth.
I'm not going to BS my way around the whole story. Sorry. Either way I told the truth and that's all that matters.

Yes, I can still say I wasn't bashing them. Cause I wasn't. What would I be avoiding anyways? 4&6 getting upset about what happened?

Hey Jim Rashid. Sorry for telling the truth.

Thanks for clarifiying that Burt.

That is the day. I'm being accused for bashing when I told the truth.

Defintition for bashing:
Bashing may refer to one of the following:

The pejorative bashing implies excessive or unwarranted criticism on a subject, group or individual.
A subtle way of referring to masturbation.
Bashing (2005) is a film by Kobayashi Masahiro.
Railfan jargon term for travelling behind certain locomotives.

Theres no unwarranted (untruthful) criticism being said on 4&6.
And I wasn't refering to any type of mastrubation at all.
This thread isn't based on a film.
And I'm not talking about traveling behind locomotives either.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

"someone always trying to start a 4&6 bashfest in these forums" Quoted by chief4n6

"your getting away from my point here jason
if you have "nothing against 4n6" then dont go on talking about all my mistakes
thats my point. thank you"  Also quoted by chief4n6.

Makes me believe that chief4n6 is actually Jim since he wont come out and say who he is. So either Jim is posing as chief4n6 or the person actually writing this stuff is the guy who built Brians bike several times. Hmmmm...... I just wonder who that chief4n6 is.. I don't think I need to ponder it anymore.

Good Night Chief,
Jason

P.S. You know what I learned of all this? That Bashing is a subtle way of reffering to mastrubation! Thats the funniest part of all!
So if someone took this the wrong way they just might think this post is about a 4n6 Subtle Masterbation Fest!!

[Court Jester]

christ. people read way too much into shit.
jason does do some pretty damn good work though.

[chief4n6]

well im glad burt pointed out your wrong
and im glad you accepted it.

jim is fourandsix i told you before.

goodnight jason

[Burt Munro]

As long as everything Jason says is true he won't have to worry about being sued.

I hope so, for his sake......

'defamation'

A false statement that injures someone's reputation and exposes him to public contempt, hatred, ridicule, or condemnation. If the false statement is published in print or through broadcast media, such as radio or TV, it is called libel. If it is only spoken, it is called slander.

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

No worries here mate! 

[Court Jester]

As long as everything Jason says is true he won't have to worry about being sued.

I hope so, for his sake......

'defamation'

A false statement that injures someone's reputation and exposes him to public contempt, hatred, ridicule, or condemnation. If the false statement is published in print or through broadcast media, such as radio or TV, it is called libel. If it is only spoken, it is called slander.

it has to be proven that it's done with a direct intent to do harm. a person can say whatever they like no matter how bad it is, true or not. the other person has to prove that the person speaking knew the facts and said what they said just to do harm. that's tough to do. 

[Super Dave]

Jason,

I don't have a horse in this race.  (or a dog in this fight as Michael Vick would say!)

I have to admit that when I read your post on the repairs you had to make on Brian's bike it was pretty obvious.  Could you have said the same thing about correcting the problems without mentioning 4 & 6?  Yes.   

I think that as far as informing people why they could buy his bike without any reliability concerns you could have stated the same facts without mentioning who did the previous work and accomplished the same thing. 

By clearly stating that you had to correct work done by 4 & 6 you opened the door on this.

+1

I think Burt pretty much hit that on the head.  I don't think anything needed to be said about the bike.  Brian did what he did on the bike.  If it's not selling, it's because no one is looking to buy. 

After the first page of posts on the bike, well, I think it just hurts the selling opportunity, period.  But, I'm a simple person.

I never had problems with aluminum clutch plates myself in the seasons of 2003 to 2007 that they were in my Yamaha.  I've had some pretty darn good results with 4&6 stuff.  I'm pretty simple though, and old.

[Super Dave]

it has to be proven that it's done with a direct intent to do harm. a person can say whatever they like no matter how bad it is, true or not. the other person has to prove that the person speaking knew the facts and said what they said just to do harm. that's tough to do. 

Well, actually, there are laws otherwise. 

[Super Dave]

Makes me believe that chief4n6 is actually Jim since he wont come out and say who he is. So either Jim is posing as chief4n6 or the person actually writing this stuff is the guy who built Brians bike several times. Hmmmm...... I just wonder who that chief4n6 is.. I don't think I need to ponder it anymore.

Good Night Chief,
Jason

I can say that the poster you're referring to is not Jim from 4&6 nor Ed from 4&6.

Does it matter?  There are some that take it personally on both sides.  Some don't even use the internet.  But you certainly got someone's attention so much that they logged on as "chief4n6".  You'll never know who they are.

[bambam]

I can say that the poster you're referring to is not Jim from 4&6 nor Ed from 4&6.

Does it matter?  There are some that take it personally on both sides.  Some don't even use the internet.  But you certainly got someone's attention so much that they logged on as "chief4n6".  You'll never know who they are.

i think that is part of his point that it is pretty chickens**t to hide behind a screen name. most mid atlantic racers know who i am so i'm not hiding, you aren't hiding, burt and jason aren't hiding. so what is the big deal ciief4&6 come clean let us know who you are so we have some validity to put with your statements.  as far as i'm concerned anyone that hides behind a screen name is only taken with a grain of salt, if you want to be taken seriously let us know who you are.

[Jeff]

What's the BFD on who this guy/girl is? 

I dunno.  I guess after reading through this all, the sheer word-count generated by Jason defines the hard-on he has for 4&6.

If you REALLY don't care, then STFU.  If you do care, please, by all means, carry on.

BTW, I'll cut either of you a special advertising rate and work out a banner that says how great you are over your competition.  Inquire within.

[spyderchick]

BTW, I'll cut either of you a special advertising rate and work out a banner that says how great you are over your competition.  Inquire within.

 

[Jeff]

I'm a whore.  I'll do that for anyone.  Wanna tell the forum you're faster than Super Dave?  We can do that.

[Burt Munro]

I'm a whore.  I'll do that for anyone.  Wanna tell the forum you're faster than Super Dave?  We can do that.

Spite count whore, banner content whore! 
What will this boy think of next to do for money?  Wait, I don't think I want to know! 

[spyderchick]

Wait, I don't think I want to know! 

You know, we could exploit this little foible of Jeff's for the benefit of the Red Flag Fund. 

Then again, maybe not. What would Super Dave do to top him? 

[251am]

Chief from 4&6 has stated that this forum has been bashing 4&6 in the past and that it is now in the present bashing them again.
I personally have nothing against 4&6 as I have never had them do any work for me so how can I bash their work right? I'm just stating facts to cover my ass & reputation.

  Jason is trying to help sell the bikes by answering a valid question. The question would be asked by anyone who has been around the last 5 years or so and knows that Brian's bikes were worked on at said shop, 4and6 Racing.

  It is a valid point to make that the engine has been fixed from when it was worked on by the last so-called sponsor. I found USED parts in my bike they(4&6) were supposedly going to rebuild, and other people have as well. So, now the bike is completely re-built to a much higher standard and it helped win some Championships. Excellent.


Could the point have been made a little more delicately w/o names? Probably.

   

We'll never know who chief is? I don't think chief knows who chief is. Chief states that he/she helped build Fong's bikes, but it's not Jim Rashid or Ed? Not real tough to figure out who the 'bot is. The polish and shine and spin of the MW con artists keeps on truckin'.

[spyderchick]

Locked. Keep the crap of the forum. Thanks!