DAYTONA IS A JOKE

[CounterSteerer]

HP was definitely the determining factor in my lightweight races. The same guy I was 4 seconds a lap faster than in the Team Challenge on the same super sport bike, later pulled me by 1.5 seconds a lap in the race on our respective bikes. I ran my ass off and reeled him in on the infield every lap, but he simply walked away on the banking, he had more HP. Very similar bikes, 1000ds vs Bimota DB5.  He won on pure horsepower. He even beat our SE LW Champion on pure HP.

On the first lap of the race, I literally waved at him as I passed him coming out of International Bus Stop, he waved back on the banking... Nothing I could do. I ran a 2.08 on a SuperSport. He ran a high 2.06. He and I are very equal riders on other tracks like JGP and RA. I'm always a second a lap faster than him. It was all bike at Daytona.

Guess I'll think of Daytona more like a drag race. Hey, maybe we can get some of those guys on the 'Busas to give exhibition runs and we can watch. Better yet, let's save the tires and just do the Dyno drag race and be done with it online. We can just submit our HP/Torque readings for each class. Then we can scratch the travel expenses and the crazy Daytona bike week jazz.

Well, it was fun, but disheartening to sit with the throttle pinned and be unable to hold in the draft. When you've spent a deep 5 figures into a season and watch the championship walk away and get handed to someone with almost no points on a "faster bike", it's very disheartening...

I'm done bitching... the GNF was way better competition and way more fun and they had more food and seats at the banquet too, lesson learned about CCS Daytona, I know what I'm doing next year.

Flame on...

How many times have you raced against this guy on the Bimota? Out of the total races how many times have you won (once)? You make it sound like your bike is not built and you beat this guy every where you race and he comes to Daytona and turns the throttle and gets a National Championship. He beats you at other tracks and he beat you at Daytona why did you think it would be different?

[CounterSteerer]

daytona sucks. i will not attend the ROC next year if its at daytona. you can quote me on that. you will however find me @ RD ATL the week prior to the ROC at another Natl Championship weekend...CCS has access to some of the best tracks in the country to host the national championship and daytona is chosen?....Id rather drive 12 hours to VIR for a ROC than 4 hrs to daytona again...my money is better spent elsewhere.

G-Rod, I bet you will be there next year and I bet D-Wire will win one next year! Bet...

[Been-Jammin]

I took my 2nd & 3rd place finishes with a healthy smile & had a lot of fun trying not to blow up my little air cooled Duc...

Daytona is a HP track. HP wins races there and can be the determining factor between relatively equal riders.

Still seems unfair to have a "Winner take all" race on a HP based track configuration.

Or... maybe it's just an opportunity to build a better bike...

[ScubaSteve]

Last year at Daytona ROC I won 5 races with my supersport legal Ducati. I was down HP against bikes in some of my classes but was able to make it up in the infield and drafting. It does not matter what track CCS designates to run the ROC all the top guys will be finishing at the top just like Daytona.

Of course they will finish at the top jason but its not as competitive. I beat mills and bryan alot my AM year but when ROC's rolled around my SS spec bike was no match for their SB's 20hp down. You weren't down very much HP to them if you could draft with them.

Congrats again on the win.

[MELK-MAN]

we would mostly agree that the "old" course at Daytona does give bikes with more hp a bit of an advantage. So what if there is ONE race a year where a little bit of HP makes up for some things. It has to be a national as the place is WAY to expensive to run as a regional race, and it is better than going to the same tracks we run all year long. CCS even changes it up from the March race by not running the repaved infield course that everyone thought was Micky-mouse.. (so is the new internaional horseshoe, f-in joke for real). Motorcycling is a sport where the machine DOES have to be part of the equation, you can build em up..but they better last cause Daytona will be the ultimate "dyno". If you have a little gremlin lurking it will be found out at this track. As Edmonds pointed out earlier, the best riders did win, and in some races where 750's were pitted against 600's maybe some were further up front than expected.
Is it the best place to decide n-tl titles? maybe, maybe not. but i for one wont be spending money if the weather forcast for the potential facility is in the 50's or below! 8)

[CounterSteerer]

I said beat, not win, my lap times are ALWAYS faster, his ability to motor through traffic is much better.

You beat him but you dont win? 

[CounterSteerer]

Of course they will finish at the top jason but its not as competitive. I beat mills and bryan alot my AM year but when ROC's rolled around my SS spec bike was no match for their SB's 20hp down. You weren't down very much HP to them if you could draft with them.

Congrats again on the win.

Steve it was good to see you at Daytona sorry I couldn't hang out longer my race was on first call when we were talking. I am not going to tell all my secrets about Daytona but staying in the draft helps that and last year my Super Sport Duc made 93HP thanks Moto Corse Performance. I may have been out horsed powered last year but I doubt by 20 HP. I can just imagine if you and Mills were still racing how much trash talking there would be.

[Been-Jammin]

You beat him but you dont win? 

Yep. Sure did.

[Super Dave]

Last year at Daytona ROC I won 5 races with my supersport legal Ducati. I was down HP against bikes in some of my classes but was able to make it up in the infield and drafting. It does not matter what track CCS designates to run the ROC all the top guys will be finishing at the top just like Daytona.

Very true.

The ROC has some interesting problems.

First, weather.  Road Atlanta can be bad.  So can Barber, etc.

Grid sizes are a problem too.  Barber is just too tiny.  It turns into a mess when there are 1400 entries there.  Good luck.  Meanwhile, Daytona has fielded about 2000 entries the past.

I don't necessarily think that Daytona is the answer, but there are a lot of reasons why other places aren't an answer.  But your opinions will differ.

[Been-Jammin]

Ya know, after cooling off and thinking about this quite a bit... Who cares? Seriously. It's a racetrack and a bad ass high MPH banked one at that. Run it!!

Forgive me for my thoughtless lip in my earlier posts, I really don't know why I was bitching so much, I had a freakin blast! Despite the rain and the ever famous Daytona staff.

I was actually able to ride the banking (this was my 2nd event at Daytona) comfortably and concentrate on tucked in body position and climb above the white line for the first time! It was such a rush of accomplishment just to be able to get above that white line under control without freaking out over a wall a few feet away at those speeds.

Running the two bankings was a great experience, especially with running the TC for the first time. That's a huge amount of WOT riding. Where else in the world can I get that without worrying about grandma's and jail. And learning to brake deep into that chicane was f'n awesome. I thought for sure that I'd had the rear wheel off of the ground!

Sorry for being so nit picky, whiny and unappreciative in my earlier posts and adding to this mess of a topic. Guess I needed to get my head out of my ass and remember why I'm here. I love this race track shiat no matter who wins!

[ScubaSteve]

Steve it was good to see you at Daytona sorry I couldn’t hang out longer my race was on first call when we were talking. I am not going to tell all my secrets about Daytona but staying in the draft helps that and last year my Super Sport Duc made 93HP thanks Moto Corse Performance. I may have been out horsed powered last year but I doubt by 20 HP. I can just imagine if you and Mills were still racing how much trash talking there would be.

Oh ya you missed those days...lol We still talk trash esp when i'm in the car with him...I'll see you again prob homestead in feb

[CounterSteerer]

Ya know, after cooling off and thinking about this quite a bit... Who cares? Seriously. It's a racetrack and a bad ass high MPH banked one at that. Run it!!

Forgive me for my thoughtless lip in my earlier posts, I really don't know why I was bitching so much, I had a freakin blast! Despite the rain and the ever famous Daytona staff.

I was actually able to ride the banking (this was my 2nd event at Daytona) comfortably and concentrate on tucked in body position and climb above the white line for the first time! It was such a rush of accomplishment just to be able to get above that white line under control without freaking out over a wall a few feet away at those speeds.

Running the two bankings was a great experience, especially with running the TC for the first time. That's a huge amount of WOT riding. Where else in the world can I get that without worrying about grandma's and jail. And learning to brake deep into that chicane was f'n awesome. I thought for sure that I'd had the rear wheel off of the ground!

Sorry for being so nit picky, whiny and unappreciative in my earlier posts and adding to this mess of a topic. Guess I needed to get my head out of my ass and remember why I'm here. I love this race track shiat no matter who wins!

Whats the saying? The B.S. stops when the green flag drops.

Why is there a picture of Chris in your avatar?