New for 2008: 450cc Four Stroke Spec Class

[HAWK]

Charlie Wright tried about three years ago with a 92 hp FZR, he could not do it. Charlie was a regular top 3 finsher when he was on his SV. 

You know Charlie? I work with him (at least till he got laid off) and his brother Steve.

As far as the topic at hand, you can petition for a new class but you will need to show the guys at the top that there is a market for this spec class. I'm not sure what a UJM is but I have an awful lot of fun running my SV so I'm not sure I want to know either (Please keep in mind that everyone has different tastes, if we all liked the same thing the world would be a very boring place, and while you like the 450 thumper I like the SV but there are just too many bikes to have a spec class for all of them so we compromise). Since it is impossible to create a class for every bike most riders get what they like based on existing classes. As far as your motard idea, it is very competitive in the Ultralight Weight class along with the FZRs and some Ducs. You also have the world of Super Motard to play in as well. If the 2 strokes do indeed disappear soon then that class could be eliminated and something new created to replace it but until then the class structure is pretty full up right now.

[resurection]

I don't think a set up XR650R would have any trouble with any bike in that class.
On a track like RA there may trouble ,but a fast fella on a tight track it may well be unbeatable!!

[roadracer162]

  I've raced both two stroke and four strokes, and four stroke of even several eras prior.

Now you are showing your age.

Mark

[stk0308]

UJM = Universal Japanese Motorcycle

[HAWK]

UJM = Universal Japanese Motorcycle

Funny thing is that the universal Japanese motorcycle has for many years had an I4 engine configuration. How many V-Twin Japanese motorcycles are there?

[Super Dave]

+1

UJM was the unfaired inline four Japanese bike.  But people can change terminology...

[Super Dave]

Now you are showing your age.

Mark

Nah, I'm not that old.  I have raced now since 1987, but I've raced bikes from the 60's and 70's too.

Well, I guess my age still is up to one's perspective though too...LOL!

[BadBoyRR]

Please read it this time and leave out and SV content.

What class would the MuZ be "competitive" in? None! Yes, the classes exist as you say, but as I've pointed out several times, the bikes are not competitive in those classes.

The CCS class structure has always been bloated. Change has always been initiated from within. Kinda like this! In the not too distant future two strokes will be a fading memory and none of the new riders coming in will have any interest in that black art.

Sooo, show me a class that I can race something different in COMPETITIVELY and I'm in!

I tried almost all the lightweight and middle weight classes before I dropped out a few years back.

Let me throw this argument right back at you; what class would a NON-MODIFIED production motard be COMPETITIVE in? I can answer that for you again. NONE!

If I don't want to race a UJM there is no real class available. Oh, unless you wanna go Ducati. But thats a whole nother ball o shite.   

[roadracer162]

Quote:
"Let me throw this argument right back at you; what class would a NON-MODIFIED production motard be COMPETITIVE in? I can answer that for you again. NONE!"

Response thought:
The suggested new class is a modified Motard motor and chassis anyway right??

But I think that it can be competitive in Ultra Light Superbike.

Other bikes that are competitive in that class?

Ducati 800, Buell 900 (Tim Hall), Aprillia 250 (Fernando Ferreyra), Honda CRF450 (David Gaviria). all of these bikes have competed in the Florida region and have done well. Gaviria is ultra fast on that CRF which my FZR630 has trouble catching until he broke within half the season.

I wish the Motard had their own class because they are cleaning up in Florida. Ultra Light Superbike in Florida at times will see up to 14 bikes of all makes and models competing. Currently my son rides a FZR400 and it has caught my interest.

Modified 450 is just as much work and maintenance as the 125 2-stroke, if you wanna keep it running.

Mark

[roadracer162]

And hey, I just found a full motarded 04 CRF450, in really nice shape for a shade over $3k! I'm in!!!  

What dealership is that in? I'll go get it.

Mark

[ecumike]

Mark... "...cleaning up in FL..."  does that mean just at Jennings?  B/C that's a smaller tighter track where bike type & size matters less, than say somewhere like VIR.

[roadracer162]

Hey Mike,

Love the onboard footage from your bike.

Of course we are talking the Ultra Light Superbike class. Gaviria seems to do well against the Thunderbikes also at Jennings.

Of the ten rounds in Florida including Daytona.
5 wins by a Motard rider at Homestead, Moroso and Jennings.
1 win by a Honda 650, Daytona
3 wins by an Aprillia 250 (Fernando at Jennings and Homestead)
1 win by and FZR400 (Mark Evry with a small turn out)

At Homestead in February the top 6 spots were covered by Motards with a Buell thrown in at second place.

At Moroso in March the top 5 spots were Motards.