NEED HELP! F2'S IN LIGHTWEIGHT CLASSES!

[benprobst]

Ben,

This has gotten far off the subject of Ron's original post.  Ron didn't start this subject to debate the Suzuki/Ducati/Buell issue or to talk about the size and rate of change of CCS MW/GP grids.  His request was simply for those racing the LW class to indicate if they would support his petition to add the Honda CBR F2 into the LW grids in the hopes that Kevin/Eric would consider making a rules change.

I said "FINE in LW GP and SB" while you say "HELL NO" - so lets just agree that you and I disagree.

If you want to start your own topic proposing that CCS addopt the WERA rules please start your own thread rather than thread-jacking Ron's post.  I know that this is a subject that is very important to him and he would appreciate keeping the topic clear.

How about a response from anybody else with a vested interest in the CCS LW classes (ie - only those who plan on racing LW next year).

Allow the F2 into the LW classes - Yes or No?

Thanks,

George

Agreed sir, ill make another post when I get home, but that was going to be the gist of it, I dont always agree with the CCS rules, and I prefer the WERA org. You, obviously, are the opposite, so we chose to run our respective org. And I dont really race CCS at all so I have no say in any rule changes to allow F2's in or not.

[123user]

Ben

Its agreed! You'll stop beating the horses back, we'll stop beating the horses front. 

If including f2's will increase the grid size significantly I'd support it.  I just don't think it will... then again, it seems f2/f3 pilots crash a lot.  The motors are so strong, their operators forget their on a 400lb Hawk-era chassis.  This could really add excitement for the spectators.

On another subject, you got time to put a foot instead of a knee down anytime?

[benprobst]

I wish Scott. Ive been so busy with the road racing thing I havent even touched my dirtbike since a couple of bearings blew up inside of my rear wheel. I think I can fix it with a dremel or some carbide bits on my angle die (sp?). But I dont think im going to do anything until after the GNF, thats what this whole year has been about, heading down south to try to win some national championships before I go to get my ass whooped by the big boys next year.


You going to Daytona? I was thinking about it, but I have no CCS points and I dont think I can run down my buddy Ted (who rides a Duc) from the back of the grid.

[eh427]

I've been running an old f2 for years in thunderbike and the past two years in f40. I've been petitioning Kevin and Eric to allow it in some lightweight classes previously and their response was that it could be built up to make a significant amount of more power than the other lightweight bikes. But that could also be said about the ducatis and the buells, and I don't think there are alot of people going to spend a boatload of money to  increase the power on a fifteen year old bike. I think it should at least be allowed in lightweight superbike and gp.

[123user]

Ben,
We're leaving for Daytona on Oct. 12.  Gonna take a vacation before ROC.  My wife is excited... first trip in two years where we sleep in a motel instead of tent/van.

The back of the grid is bad place to start at any track, but at Daytona its pretty hopeless.  In LWSS I should be starting on either row 1 or 2, that works out to 2 laps before the whole field passes me.


eh427,
I don't think you need to spend a boatload of money to make an f2 fast.  High comps, available cams make 100hp... easy.  If I had one lying around I'd do it, but your right,  I wouldn't go out of my way to build one.  See's that most people are worried more about undertails, skinny tails, an razor shaped bodywork that the chassis.  The flexi-flier won't have a chance

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Well if they allow the F2 in LWSB and LWGP where will it end? 2-3 yrs later someone wants their 99 R6 allowed in LWSB and LWGP?

[EX_#76]

Well if they allow the F2 in LWSB and LWGP where will it end? 2-3 yrs later someone wants their 99 R6 allowed in LWSB and LWGP?

Your right.  What we need is a vintage class.  MW vintage could be open to all bike that are a minimum of 4 years old.

[tstruyk]

since the 02 is essentially the same as the 99 R6 could you run that!  I would RULE!!!

Could go right along with my other first place trophy I got for winning Super Twins on my 02R6  

Now if only I traded in the old girl for a newer model...  

[F2RGK]

Ok fellas,

Sorry I haven't written to reply...just got back from Florida.  Anyway, thanks George for straightening things out for me (being the Heavy) things got a little off track.  Regardless of F2's being built to the hilt, let's face it, 100hp is about it, reliably, and I use that word strongly.  Anyone that knows an F2, it takes an aweful lot to make it go.  For instance, a stock F2 is around 80-85 HP....now take a stock F3 and were talking a huge jump in HP...98.  Regardless, in stock form the F2 can run Lw classes, no problem.  If you build it, so what.  It is going to make a 100hp.  Look at the other bikes that are running with bigger HP in the LW classes.  The last time I checked....a HP is still a HP.  My whole point was to let them in to make a bigger grid, give Kevin more money, enjoy racing at an entry level that's inexpensive compared to buying a new bike.  I have a lot of customers that would love to try and race, but the first words out of their mouths,"It's too expensive."  All last year I ran with 82 hp on my F2 and I ran in Thunderbike, GTU's, and even a middleweight GP.  I faired well last year considering I rode a Terd!  Regardless, I ran my race, it was cheap, and best of all I had fun!  Oh yeah, almost forgot....Ben, I ride an F2 because I like upsetting people when I win on a "20 Something" year old bike, to take buell money, and to prove you don't have to ride a brand new bike to be competitive, NOT BECAUSE I AM OLD!  Anyway, I appreciate all of the opinions from everyone!  Thanks!!

[123user]

Are you sure you don't just want an F2 because the chassis can carry so much bodywork-  Those things made the 904 ducati look normal.  Or maybe you own stock in a fiberglass company, and each new set of race plastic takes 20 square feed of 'glass. 

I like Guy's idea about the vintage class, it could be popular.  Except maybe instead of 4 years, it could be 15.  you could pick up a used Katana for $800 and impress your friends by plowing the front around everywhere.

[F2RGK]

Neither hear nor there!  It's just an inexpensive bike to run.  Regardless whether I run an F2 or not, I still think this way.  I can easily afford a new bike, but I have a lot of fun racing against the guys that run in Thunderbike and LW which also run in the LW classes.  They always seem to have big grids....so that in itself sais something!   

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Your right.  What we need is a vintage class.  MW vintage could be open to all bike that are a minimum of 4 years old.

What I said in an earlier post. Bring back Sportsman with a min age of 8 yrs.