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ROC prep questions
« on: July 21, 2007, 12:27:24 am »
What does it take to win at Daytona?  Is it a purely horsepower track?  Do you prep your bike for superbike and hope to pass tech for supersport? How much head work is necessary and allowable in supersport?  After RA I got the feeling that horsepower alone can put you on the podium. So I imagine that would be the case for Daytona as well.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 10:10:03 am »
No head work allowed in Supersport.  Purely HP?  No, you still have to learn the tricks of the track and get the chassis set up. 
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 07:48:18 pm »
Dave,
  I'm a relative noob to the tuning aspect of this sport but it seems that there is a pretty big HP disparity within the middleweight class. And, I read that you can go 1mm over bore which means you can use thinner gaskets (deck the head!?) and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface for maximizing tuning. Not to mention the fuel. So, with that in mind, what are the chances anybody could win at Daytona without doing a significant amount of "legal" tuning? 
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 07:27:46 pm »
1mm over is the piston bore size. base gaskets adj the compression ratio to a point but it also moves the cam timing .if you have never raced at Daytona ask about your gearing with the bike you have and take the team hammer it's more important to learn the track and practice is limited.HP is always a plus .but turn one entry and entry into the chicane is more important.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 11:11:41 pm »
Duc,
  I just assumed that within any class, someone would go over bore and take the opportunity to replace the gaskets with thinner racing gaskets. Lets call that max tuning for supersport. Within the class, is it possible for a mildly tuned bike to win if the riders are close in ability? By mild tuning I'm assuming a race pipe and PCIII, gearing, and suspension. I've been to Daytona once as a spectator and it looks like an all out hp race to the finish. But if I'm reading you correctly, you think that there is a genuine chance that a better rider can win.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 12:13:39 am »
Ive read before that the high speed banking and tight infield are harder on tires than most tracks .Some tire research may be worthwile
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 01:31:31 am »
I wouldn't call the infield "tight".  Strange maybe.  You don't get a lot of heat into the right side of the tire.  A GSXR1000 will beat up a tire, but they do that everywhere too.  Yeah, it will do it more at Daytona.

Honestly, Daytona will put a load on an engine, sure.  Build a stellar modded motor for Daytona?  Well, a lot of those break.  If anything, I'd just lean on a fresh motor, rings and all.  Sure, if you have more power, one might be able to go faster, but how much time do you have to learn the track and get your bike set up?  A really fast bike that doesn't handle is scary and a decent risk to give you fits or toss you off.  If you can have a fast bike that handles at Daytona?  Well, that's good.  Again, it has to stay together too.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 08:51:53 pm »
dave's right.back in the day people would build cazy motors just for daytona and they usually blew up now I think only the foreigners that come over do this i.e. europe and japan. thinking they need a thousand hp and usually they don't have much success. reliablity and set up is more important .(bring plenty of gearing) sometimes too tall a gear the motor won't pull and you run around in 5th. it's not real technical but the long high speed then the 45 ( maybe it's 30 i don't know) degree turn 1 takes getting used to.but i'm old and slow.I remember TZ 750's in the 200.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 03:51:40 pm »
This year was my first time at Daytona - it was for the AMA 200. Getting off the chicane and into T1 are the most important things on the track - in my eyes. And since you haven't been on the track before - i would worry more about learning how to go fast and then worry about what your gonna do when you do start going faster and all of a sudden you start bottoming the suspension on the banking. Fun times :)
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 06:47:30 pm »
the draft is very important.  I drafted past bikes at daytona that are consistently faster than mine at other tracks :thumb:
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 02:57:35 am »
then the 45 ( maybe it's 30 i don't know) degree turn 1 takes getting used to.but i'm old and slow.I remember TZ 750's in the 200.
29 degrees.  You're close.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 01:54:36 pm »
29 degrees.  You're close.

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2.5-mile trioval
40 feet wide with 12- to 30-foot apron

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Banking: 31 degrees
Length: 3,000 feet
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2007, 06:49:50 pm »
Ah, I'm bad.  I was thinking of my age.   :biggrin:
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2007, 10:06:10 pm »
you know there's a lot of old age here. practice.  team challenge is what alot of guys do but don't tell anybody on this site or you'll get chewed out by the endurance guys.
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Re: ROC prep questions
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 11:12:13 pm »
What does it take to win at Daytona?  Is it a purely horsepower track?  Do you prep your bike for superbike and hope to pass tech for supersport? How much head work is necessary and allowable in supersport?  After RA I got the feeling that horsepower alone can put you on the podium. So I imagine that would be the case for Daytona as well.

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