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being in control ...what do you think

Started by Garywc, April 09, 2007, 10:25:29 PM

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i was killing time in Barnes and Nobel the other night and there was a book on endurance racing (cant remember the name) cars.
and a quote which i cant remember from who (good memory) said "if you are driving in control you are going to slow..."
so could it be related to riding?
do you think thats true?
I think you should be in control ,maybe thats why i am slow
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i've been told the fast guys ride just on the edge between being in and being out of control. but i'm not fast so i can't really tell ya


Being in control or not I think is more of a frame of mind. I'm sure if you ask a fast guy if he feels out of control or not he may say no. I think what matters is if you feel comfortable. Even an out of control slow guy may feel comfortable. Or vise vies. I feel out of control when I'm not comfortable. I feel in control when I'm comfortable, right on the edge of the tire were just a nudge more means disaster. And confidence builds as you pass people. Your bike only does what you tell it to do. And you only tell it to do more if your comfortable and feel in control. I don't know if any of that shit makes sense! But that's how I feel.


The fastest riders are always in control.

Being right on the edge does not mean out of control, quite the contrary. Being able to ride at the absolute limit of traction without stepping over is what makes riders great.
Just my opinion.

Ever notice that the fastest pro riders almost never fall down?
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I would like to here from racerhall on this. He's one of the fast one's
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Super Dave

Well, it can be about perspective.

Good endurance riders can do laps on the edge all day long.

A qualifying session can involve pushing over the edge a little bit.

Now, I've worked with riders that were able to nearly crash more often each lap than the rest of us mortal people because their set of reaction time ability was just better than most people.  To them, that was normal.  It wasn't a crash in their book.  But the bike attitude and all was in crash mode.  Again, they were just saving it as normal practice all the time. 
Super Dave


Riding just over the edge and being able to save a bike that is out of shape is almost never the fast way around. Some riders may be able to go fast while being "just over the edge" but usually if that same rider was to clean it up it might not be as spectacular to watch but will almost always be faster.  Gathering up an out of shape bike at the exit of turn 1 pretty much guarantees a lousy entrance to turn 2, being in control lets you tie turns together over and over again. Ever done a lap that you thought was dead dog slow only to look at your laptimer and see it was your best performance? You stayed just inside the edge, never got sideways, kept it under control and collected the payoff.

Just my 2 cents.
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