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Started by aaronson37, February 15, 2007, 09:38:10 PM

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Eric Kelcher

Jack, Kevin this is the rule that sounds like effects both of the situations you mention.

6.1.2.D. Original equipment air box must remain as produced. Air filters must
be used but may be Aftermarket units. Aftermarket air filters are
restricted to units available via normal commercial channels and
designed for that specific model machine. Aftermarket air filter units
that replace part of the OEM. airbox are required to maintain the
original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit
.

If you remove the snorkel you have increased the size of the opening and on modding the stock filter sounds like making the stock air box opening bigger(air filter is part of the air box on 1st gen SV)
Eric Kelcher
ASRA/CCS Director of Competition

onedwn5up

Belive it or not we can all learn something from Nascar. I was watching one of those "behind the scenes" type shows where they were developing and testing cars. Everyone knows how strict nascar rules are. I mean, they even come out with templates to make sure the roof and windshield angles are correct. But the thing that was said and what stuck with me was when the crew chief said,"It's not whats in the rule book, it's whats not in the rule book." Therefore if there is no specific mention about an item or modification it is allowed. Nascar crews thrive by working in the "grey area" and it is these small things that allow them to add up to something useful.

Now it can be debated whether or not this is a usable or performance oriented mod but if it is not stated in the rulebook then it is allowed. If he was ingenious enough to come up with the idea then good for him.

But this also brings up the subject of tech inspection. Someone said they would hate to catch something like this in the neck at 150 mph. Something like this should be safety wired and should have been noted by a tech inspector. It is not their duty to inspect for the classes you enter but they need to keep an eye on safety. And if it slips through, then the rider should not be penalized on the backside. But tech inspectors need to be more thorough then perhaps they have previously been. I got burned since a tech inspector missed the rubber drain plug missing from my lower fairing. Then, unbenounced to me, a starter catches it at the last moment and pulls me off the front row during a start. I didn't think it was fair for that to happen to me since I was passed through tech inspection. I can understand the problem of having a blown motor leak oil through the bellypan but I was on the front row and was passed by tech insopection. If he didn't catch it then why should I be penalized?But that is sorta a different story and was last year anyway. 

The rider used the grey area to his advantage. He didn't increase his rotor diameter or radiator capacity. All he did was direct more air at it using a little homemade fabrication. Was there a measureable performance gain? Who knows, but it is sure easy to say yes when you're the one in second place.

funsizeracing

The problem with the grey areas is that it 's left up to the tech guys to make the final call.  What's ok at one track may not be at another, or it may even change from rider to rider based on which tech official they visit.  The inconsistency  causes confusion.
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Super Dave

Well, standard tech inspection does not constitute eligibility for a class.  One can usually expect that it is a reasonable safety inspection, but it still does not merit that everything is safe.

There are hot spots and sharp edges all over that could be exposed all over a bike. 

Back to the photo at hand...

If it's a fairing, it has to be fiberglass?  But what if it's a heat shield or a heat sink?  I don't read anything that says it can't be aluminum.
Super Dave

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Quote from: Eric Kelcher on February 22, 2007, 11:19:33 PM
Jack, Kevin this is the rule that sounds like effects both of the situations you mention.

"Aftermarket" air filter units that replace part of the OEM airbox are required to maintain the original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit.


Does it say "stock" air filters are required to maintain.......? No, it says "aftermarket" I had a stock one.  The rulebook does not say I can't do it.  The air filter as part of the airbox is a judgment call in my book. If you order a "airbox" from Suzuki, it won't come with a filter.

And I'm not mad about if you are wondering. :ass: I was DQ'd in my first race as an expert. I din't think I had any chance of a top 3 let alone win the damn thing.  :cheers:


hdpromos

There was no protest filed and if there was, it would have showed no advantage gained. That is why the rider decided not to follow up. If there had been a protest, it would have been denied! "BS" protests like this do nothing but waste everyones time, as do many law suits filed these days! Usually the ones who file these types of protests are unable to win anyother way and I do all I can to keep that from happening :kicknuts:.

HD

Super Dave

Thank you for reality, Henry.  I think you have a good gig going on down there.   :cheers:
Super Dave

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Quote from: onedwn5up on February 23, 2007, 04:34:43 PM
I got burned since a tech inspector missed the rubber drain plug missing from my lower fairing. Then, unbenounced to me, a starter catches it at the last moment and pulls me off the front row during a start. I didn't think it was fair for that to happen to me since I was passed through tech inspection. I can understand the problem of having a blown motor leak oil through the bellypan but I was on the front row and was passed by tech insopection. If he didn't catch it then why should I be penalized? was last year anyway. 

YOU are the one responsible for the mechanical and safety issues on your motorcycle, NOT the tech inspector.  Tech inspection is there to hopefully catch the mistakes of idiots, newcomers, and guys who put their bikes together while seriously sleep deprived.  (I've been all three)  Try teching several hundred bikes in an hour, all while people are running up and asking questions, distracting you as you work.  You won't catch everything either.
IMO, to blame a tech inspector for missing your mistake, or to blame a grid marshal for catching your mistake, is simply a way to avoid accepting responsibility for your own actions.  This attitude  of pushing off your responsibility on others, taken to it's illogical extreme, is what has lawyers suing motorcycle manufacturers for building "Inherently Dangerous Vehicles."
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