Is this true? (Hayden injured)

[JBraun]

Wow, I'm still very lost.

Stop comparing CCS to MotoGP!! it's barely even the same sport!

I don't think there's any really fast guys racing MotoGP who just can't afford to make the whole season.    everyone on the grid brings their best to every round, along with their multi-million dollar budget. There's no comparison at all!

Two things got Hayden to the top; hard work and talent. He's earned it!


By the way, if you could have won 12 championships in 03 and "stepped back", that's on YOU.
I would have collected my trophies, put together one HELL of a resume and hit the street to recruit some sponsors for next year.
Would you have deserved to win those titles? YES!!! You didn't make up the points system did you?

[Mongo]

Mongo,

So then you also believe that I would have been the deserving champion of up to 12 championships in 2003 as I described and I made the wrong decision by stepping back and letting the BETTER riders have them? All I did was follow the rules of the game and my consistency showed thru, but there's no way I deserved to be the champion in all those classes, I was sorry ass slow. That was the very reasoning behind CCS changing the rules to more heavily reward those who win and penalize those who don't.

My issue isn't specifically with Nicky, it's with his type, time for another example. I work with people who are in positions of great power within a $100 million dollar a year company, applying the thinking you guys seem to have would mean that those people in those positions are the best for them? Yet things like what your last name is, who's ass your head is up, how deep your throat is, and who's back your willing to stab have far more to do with success than anything from what I have seen in the last 18 years of employment with them. The people in positions of power are there because they did the things required to get there, no matter how incorrect. Again, my issue is with the situations he's been in which resulted in him getting championships, not really him as a person so much (other than that blattent flag disrespect! ). I just don't look at him as a true champion, hell the guy couldn't even hold his head up with pride and look at the camera during the interviews after he won  ? I've never seen any other MotoGP champion do that.

If you didn't win the championships within the points structure of the sanctioning body then no, you didn't deserve them. If you did win them then you deserved them. It's a pretty easy thing to figure out, not sure why you're having so many problems with it.  Now if you want to argue about the merits of different points structures by all means go for it, but that's not the same thing as determining who deserved what, deserve can't be quantified.

As for the rest - you don't like his type???  Have you ever met Nicky?  Talked to him?  Seen him works his ass off to get where he is?  Any of the examples you use prove you to be nothing more than another moron without a clue.  Even your idol knows Nicky won the championship fair and square.  But I guess he doesn't know what he's talking about either since you've seen people more stupid than you get promoted in a company.  Yep, that's some serious logic right there.  Dropped the flag?  Couldn't face the cameras?  Yep, one of the dumbest I've yet run across on the interwebs and that is saying a lot.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

I realize that people that result to name calling generally don't feel confident in their opinions as being correct and often times have personal issues they haven't come to accept. I have expressed my opinions and explained WHY I feel the way I do, simply because it's not the default opinion of the rest of the herd I expected some wouldn't be able to deal with it, but resorting to childish name calling is sad. The fact that it was claimed that Rossi is my idol shows that some are not even actually reading what I wrote.

I respect the fact that Nicky reached the level he has, but I'm also knowledgable to the fact that it has been greatly thru the efforts of his dad holding his hand his whole life. I happen to be freinds with a dirt track racer who raced against all the Haydens numerous times in the late 90's, he has had the experience of beating each of them when they were quite competative. I remember him telling me many times about this guy and his kids (3 boys and their sister) showing up at the dirt track events with a huge box truck full of tons of spare bikes and every spare part they could ever need (he even showed me a picture that he had of that very set-up). My freind would show up by himself with his bike in the back of his older S-10 pick-up, a small tool box, and a couple milk crate type container with some spares in them, yet he could finish ahead of them without ever having had his bike/engine worked on by anyone. Someone like this gets looked over because he didn't have the networking that the Hayden's dad created for them. More power to them, I just have trouble with people who 'succeed' at things for reasons other than just their ability, especially when it involves having everything they could ever need to accomplish that goal provided for them without having to pay for anything themselves.

Since this tangent is going nowhere I don't see any reason to continue it, if this explanation doesn't explain my views then I don't know what will. It's sad that some can't at least be open to other people's views, no matter how contridictory to their own. Good luck with that!

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

It's just a shame that Nicky rides a Red Bull helmet, so no one can buy a Nicky replica.
With the overheating clutch issues, the fact that sometimes it seemed like Nicky was given less than the best package he could have had at a given race, the tangle with Pedrosa, the injury....  Man, to me it seems like Nicky overcame a lot.  That's what champions do.  Rossi went into the last race with the points lead.  An a mega-multi time champion, Rossi knew what he needed to do, but he didn't pull it off.  Who cares if Rossi "lost" the championship?  Nicky did what he had to do, and he won the championship.  It's that simple.
(Dare I say that he even won the championship after Rossi got a BIG get out of jail free card when he wasn't penalized for passing under the yellow?  That just stunk of NASCAR-type politics if you ask me....)
All hail Nicky!

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

I just have trouble with people who 'succeed' at things for reasons other than just their ability, especially when it involves having everything they could ever need to accomplish that goal provided for them without having to pay for anything themselves.

Mike, I luv yew man!  And I respect your right to have an opinion.  But on the point I quoted you above, how different was that from Rossi's path?  Or Duhamel's?  Or the Roberts boys? or....

[Mongo]

It's not name calling when you've already proven it true sorry. I've known the Haydens for a while myself and what you're calling hand holding most people would see as support from a parent without which getting to the pinnacle of any sport is hard if not impossible.  Sounds more like your friend is just another jealous moron like yourself.  I use the word moron because intelligent beings are able to step past their personal feelings and look at any given situation objectively, something you obviously are incapable of.  I've seen numerous riders with a lot more support than Earl ever gave his children not succeed in this sport, I've seen some with less do very well - but those are extremely rare.  I've also seen Nicky win championships on inferior machinery, but that doesn't count does it? 

It's always amazing to me the levels of stupidity that can be reached by jealous people.  Nicky Hayden got where he is purely because Earl Hayden paid for it huh?  Yeah, that makes sense.  Kid never could ride a motorcycle.  Wonder who Earl hired to do that for him?  Must have been someone because Nicky sure couldn't do it for himself.

Your opinion quite simple isn't valid because it is not based on the facts of the situation, rather it is based on an emotional response you are having to those facts.  I'm sorry you don't understand that but there it is. 

[Mongo]

Also just to give you an idea of what I mean - I feel that Rossi is an overall better rider than Nicky.  Always have, however there is nothing that make Nicky less deserving of this championship that he won via his skill on a motorcycle. 

[PJ721]

...yea...and Tiger Woods shouldn't be considered one of the greatest golfers of all time since his dad helped him....or Derek Jeter shouldn't be playing for the Yankees since his dad helped him...name me one high profile athlete that didn't have a support system through his youth, someone to lay the path to get noticed early in their career to push him/her to get to the top? I'm sure Repsol just signed Nicky since his dad told them too..come on the kid can ride..he is the 2006 MotoGP champ...no changing that....he may never win another one...but he will always have this year.

[EM JAY]

 Nicky Rocks.   

[catman]

WELL PUT PAUL!...&  The Spidey one shure started a whopper, this time- John

[steeltoe]

I think Roger is the only one not busted up at the moment.  Tommy had a bad crash on the zook in Sepang.  Man I cannot wait to see Tommy next season on Suzuki.

[catman]

Dang -I didnt win the auction for the  track vest signed by Nicky's family and crew-at Laguna-wonder what its worth now? hmm             A toast to the Nicky haters all around the world