Democrats Rule! (and Bush still sux) [POLL]

[Super Dave]

So you're implying that by making concealed carry legal it would enable the victims to also carry, so they could defend themselves against the thugs who are sometimes armed?  Or by making concealed carry, it would make what the thugs are doing legal, and so a little less tough??
Dave:  read the last post about my buddy who was jumped.     And quit watching all those Charles Bronson movies.

Ah, good way to start...make yourself big by implying something about a movie...

Would a CCW law allow individuals to defend themselves.  Yes.

As for thugs...

Well, what are you implying? 

That thugs could get CCW permits?  I'm sure some could. 

Would a CCW law discourage a thug from carrying a concealed weapon because he doesn't have a permit?  I'd bet not.

[tshort]

?

[Super Dave]

[251am]

Ah, good way to start...make yourself big by implying something about a movie...

    ?   +1

Nice stump though. Is that the stump in Eagle you shout your platform from, or are you calling out Stumpy?!

[Super Dave]

No reply from the Democratic guy...stumped.

I'm not a Republican, but I'm still waiting for a Democratic alternative other than just not being a Republican.

Ball's in their court.  And some of the individuals that won seats did so on conservative platforms.  Pilosi certainly isn't a conservative, and I think the lack of cheers from many of those on the Democratic side has been because of their recognition that there were a lot of individuals voted in, in very tight races, that ran on a moderate platform.

The Republicans in name only got what they needed.  A kick in the pants.

[tshort]

No reply from the Democratic guy...stumped.

Are you familiar with a concept from the field of psychology called "projection"? 

In any case...the "?" was my utter bewilderment at the randomness of your post preceding it.  I couldn't make any sense of it at all.  So, yes, I guess I was stumped.  But it wasn't for a lack of something to add to the conversation - it was for a lack of comprehending what it was you were trying to add.


"I'm not a Republican, but I'm still waiting for a Democratic alternative other than just not being a Republican."       WTF?  What's that supposed to mean?

  You sound as if you are trying to spin everything you've said so as not to reveal anything about what you really believe (you have not, imho, been successful on that); and the whole thing smacks of one of the things the Dems dislike about the Reps - their weasely approach to spinning issues and words in the name of "truthiness", and using words to make a point in a way that they can change later on if the political winds blow in a different direction.  This kind of stuff lacks integrity, it lacks political spine, and it does not compel.

(I will say this, tho - there are those on the right who aren't shy about their opinions, especially when it comes to guns, gays, and religion - I don't agree with the positions, but at least I know where they stand).

[Super Dave]

I'm not sure how I can make you understand...LOL!

I'm not a Republican, so I don't have a Republican axe to grind.

I've listened to the Democrats.  The only thing that I've heard them say is that they aren't Republicans.  "Time for a change!"  Blah, blah, blah.

Time for a change it no plan, no idea, no vision.  I will say that I think there were Republicans that lost sight of the goals that they were put into office to accomplish.  As a result, they are out.

Democrats rule?  As a party, sure, they have some small opportunity to make policy, etc.  Pilosi is so far out in left field.  There are Democrats that were elected that are not so far left.  They ran on conservative platforms.  That's not really the ideology that Pilosi and the Deaniac Democrats have been forwarding. 

So, what's their plan, Tom?



Back to your CCW...

Do you think that citizens of the United State should be allowed to protect themselves with deadly force?  Protect property that way?  Should citizens be allowed to have firearms?

Those are some easy pop ups that you can answer based on your opinion.

I asked questions a couple posts back, but you have only decided to spin back on me.  So, add to the conversation you started.

[251am]

I'm not sure how I can make you understand...LOL!

I'm not a Republican, so I don't have a Republican axe to grind.

Wait a minute here. I've seen you improperly liken liberals to being Communist. No, that in itself does not make you a Republican, but a Dem. basher, certainly. I guess in the big picture of mid-terms '06 NOT being with the GOP was all it took. The country voted in, in Dave's estimation, a Democrat's party that has offered nothing!? LOL!!

  Politics schmolitics...  

[lilroy]

Quick question from an uninformed guy.

Is it legal to carry an unconcealed hand gun in Wisconsin f you own it legally?

[EX#996]

Quick question from an uninformed guy.

Is it legal to carry an unconcealed hand gun in Wisconsin f you own it legally?

Yes.  However you cannot take it near churches, bars, or schools....  With that being said, a police officer would still more in likely charge you with disorderly conduct or something else if you do such a thing.

Dawn

[lilroy]

Yes.  However you cannot take it near churches, bars, or schools....  With that being said, a police officer would still more in likely charge you with disorderly conduct or something else if you do such a thing.

Dawn

I'm not normally one to get involved in a political discussion over the internet, but I've been thinking about something as of late.  If it is legal to carry a hand gun in an unconcealled manner then why would someone who is supportive of a concealled carry law not be carrying their handgun already?  And wouldn't the sight of the handgun deter an attack better then a concealled weapon?  That said, what is stopping supporters of this law from protecting themselves in the meantime?

BTW concealled carry legislation, if passed, would not have allowed for someone to bring their gun into a bar, church, school, etc.

Believe it or not I am a strong supporter of our right to bear arms and never want to see any additional guns laws enacted.  In fact it wouldn't bother me if Wisconsin passed a concealled carry law.  It simply seems a bit silly given that it is already legal to carry a hand gun on the street.

[tshort]

So, what's their plan, Tom?

Well, the fact that just by virtue of the outcome the GOP dumped Rummy on the first day of the new order was great start.  WMD my ass...

But it's a good question, SD, and one that the Dems have not been very good at answering in the past.  In the first instance, I think what you're going to see is a move back to the political center as far as Congress and lawmaking goes.  We've had six years of increasingly partisan lawmaking that has focused on differences that have created great divisions in this country.  When the Christian Right figured out that they had a lot in common with the neocons it helped propel this divisiveness.  I hope that with the new Congress some of this imbalance will be corrected - get the focus off of sectarian- and partisan-driven politics. 

I'd look for driving some policy around force-reductions in Iraq - starting the correction of what the Shrub so self-righteously (and so incorrectly) started.

I'd look for attempts at pulling back on the so-called "tax reductions" that have been enacted.  What most of the people who voted for these don't understand, is those reductions don't put very much back in their pockets - it's mostly helping out 0.1% of the wealthiest segment of the population. 

Hopefully some progress on redressing the GOP's egregious retrograde motion on environmental policy will happen.  It's becoming pretty clear that global warming is real, and carbon emissions are responsible.  Why the inactivity around addressing it more directly?  Oil interests, maybe? Dunno. Whatever.  You can be sure the Dems will either initiate or take advantage of any opportunities to return some sense to the laws and spending around this.

Immigration - bipartisan movement on this now more likely.  The Dems will actually listen to the other side, and work on coming up with a middle ground that works for both.  (Unlike the partisan political machine that was in place until now).

Those are just a few things to look at.  And I'm not very well-versed on the details of it all.  For a more thoughtful, intelligent discussion of this issue, check out this article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6464897

And the best part of the new Congress?  It bodes well for a Dem President in '08 (as long as Hillary isn't the candidate  ).

Back to your CCW...
Do you think that citizens of the United State should be allowed to protect themselves with deadly force?  Protect property that way?  Should citizens be allowed to have firearms?

Have firearms?  Sure.  As a kid I had a Winchester .30-.30 Mod 94.  Classic.  Wish I still had it. Went deer hunting a couple times with it - didn't even see anything close enough to get a shot off.  Also went bow hunting - much better sport, IMHO.  Shotguns? Sure, why not? Trap/skeet is a blast (no pun) Bird hunting is quite challenging, too, and puts food on the table. 

And if I had one of these guns in my house, and some yahoo decided to try to break in, after I called 911 to summon the police, I might - *might* - consider bringing it to bear on the situation.  Hard to say, really, what one would do in a situation like that, until it actually occurs. 

So, yes, I think it's fine for people to have firearms - long arms, that is, and use them in their homes if the need arises (altho I'd like to see the stats on how effective homeowners are at using weapons to defend their property, vs. getting themselves or others killed or hurt). 

I think handguns for the general population are a ludicrous "right" - and I don't think there is *any* justification for having them at all.  As for CCW, ditto.  Ludicrous.  As per all the other posts I've already written.  So if the deer-hunters could just agree that hunting with a .45, while perfectly reasonable as an argument, is not really worth protecting as a right, as long as the ability to have and use longarms is kept in tact, I think we'd be fine.  Pretty hard to conceal a .30-06 under a running suit in the summer time.