Well here it is.

[tstruyk]

except for when he went across the track at Gateway, but I think he was just along for the ride on that one

uh yeah... that was "interesting" LOL

saw it coming from the exit of 4 so I wasnt suprised when he crossed back over near 5... than could have gotten ugly!

I think its important to realize that some people are in this for different reasons and a midpack expert may be a bit spooked when a yella plater sucks the paint off up the inside under braking... shouldnt, but its not expected at that point (however many laps) into a race.

I'm with Jeff, I'm not too proud to be passed by an am... could have petitioned to stay yella myself... and typically if one comes by I try to see if there is another coming (or 2).  like Jeff said, I'm not racing them!!

Tim

[G 97]

It has always been my understanding that stuff passing was acceptable under race conditions, even practice to some degree.  Bikes bumping bikes is a bit much and should not happen but at times stuff happens.  Aggressive stuff type passing in racing is all a part of it.  If you chose to race you have to accept it as part of the sport.  I don't necessarily like it - but it is racing.

[EX_#76]

It has always been my understanding that stuff passing was acceptable under race conditions, even practice to some degree.  Bikes bumping bikes is a bit much and should not happen but at times stuff happens.  Aggressive stuff type passing in racing is all a part of it.  If you chose to race you have to accept it as part of the sport.  I don’t necessarily like it - but it is racing.

In my opinoin, any pass made that forces the rider being passed to take an evasive manuver to prevent contact or a crash is an offence that warrents an apalogy from the passer.  This does not include riders who are spooked by the pass.

[jer271]

I guess i will just ride track days now, i dont know what hard racing is anymore...???thanx for the explination.

[jer271]

And let me explian this easier this time....

1. last turn, passed agressively by very good Am,   ran me high,   into sand trap,  off bike.

2. same turn,  same person,  ran high,  into sandtrap,  fucking warm up lap.  and i still wasnt pissed at this point.

3. battleing for 4th..... excuse me Marshell, RIDING for 4th because i dont know hard racing anymore,   I know smart racing,  last corner front and rear tires touch end up in same sand trap, from the same guy.

4. Fatkid gets angry,  does uncalled for act,  hence apoligy,  we are now here in this thread.

[Gixxerblade]

jer271 you should man up. If a an AM passed you in a what you think was a dangerous spot you should learn from that mistake. An AM is an AM because he is going to make mistakes. You shouldn't measure AM's with your yardstick of experience in the first place. Alot of AM's think pass at all costs when an EX thinks through things a little bit better and it becomes a chess games when you are going to pass. Getting angry is not the way to do it. I had another EX passing me pretty aggressively in practice and asked him politely when he comes around me in practice that he should alter his line because most practices that day I was working on something. There is no room for the hotheaded person in a sport that we rub elbows with each other. When you become a hot head you lose trust from other racers and thats one thing we cannot afford to lose in this sport, trust.

[jer271]

Well u give an apoligy, say u  did something wrong, explain the whole storey twice, and still i have too "man up"

I only posted what happend to avoid the,  "thats the asshole that grabbed Curt in the pits" I give up

[Chef]

I havent raced this year, but I feel like I dont want to run another rider off the track...
not once, and definately not 3 times....

And I'm not a hot head, but there are serious injuries going around out here, and if you win a race
or a championship, because you won this particular race...

but the guy you ran off the track 3 times ended up with no more career because he flew head first into some tire wall...

doesnt add up..

I think the passer would lose trust...

and I dont see how I would tell the passee to man up...



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[Gixxerblade]

Holy crap racing is dangerous? Who woulda thought? I think it takes a special breed to go out and race a motorcycle, sorta bordering on the insane but always trying to push to the outer edges of our fear or rationality. I can prove it becaue if we didn't do this how would we get any better at it?  While yes crashes do happen and most often is not the fault of the person that crashed, if you can't accept the fact that racing is a dangerous and deadly sport maybe you shouldn't be racing.

[jer271]

Whatever, I was  explianing what happend and apoligized for my actions,  now acorrding to some of ya I should find a new hobby.

[Jeff]

There is a certain level of risk we all accept.  There is also a level of courtesy we all EXPECT.  The courtesy of "no, you can't pass me?" no, that's not what I'm talking about.  The courtesy of "don't knock me off the fucking track to get around me" is the one I expect...

This year I had 2 crashes.  One when I hit a guy going into a corner, and one when a guy hit me going into a corner.

When I hit the guy and went down, he stayed up.  I was kinda pissed because he fucking parked it in a manner that was absolutely unnecessary.  But hey, that's his choice, I was dumb enough to follow him in and ended up ass packing him.  I went over and talked to him about it and apologized for hitting him.

When I got taken out at ACC, it really pissed me off, but shit, it happens.  I accepted the apology and talked to the dude about some riding concepts which would benefit him.  I didn't get angry with him or anything because I had calmed down at that point.

Bottom line that I guess I'm trying to point out is that we all make mistakes.  Jeremy, I'm not faulting you, but maybe you should have chatted with Marshall or Curt on Saturday vice waiting until you got so mad you couldn't contain it anymore.  Talking will get you through a lot where getting physical with someone generally doesn't get you what you want.

[roadracer162]

Jeremy,

I don't know who you are but I must thank you for manning up and apologizing for your actions.

In my opinion, this is racing and close passing is expected, sometimes even in practice. I don't condone any action that could even be deemed dangerous. I have been guilty of putting others at risk during practice by taking out another rider. This incident was a poor decision on my part and believed at the time that I commited to pass that it was a safe move.

I now race with a lot more wisdom and allow room for my fellow participant to make it even though we may not be racing each other. I am on a smaller bike in the LW F40 and come up many times on the faster bikes of the HW F40 racers. At these times it is some close racing and passing only to be repassed by the faster bike on the straights. I hope that I leave enough room for that other guy.

Mark