NESBA??? Good or Bad or Average

[YellowDesmo998]

Thanks everyone for your input, this is great.  I will be at VIR on NOv 6, 7 for the conerspeed track day, let me know if your gonna be there so I can meet you and personally thank you for the help, Paul

CCS #127

I will also be there.  That's one of the best things, meeting people you chat with on the BBS.  When it gets closer to the date I'll PM you to give you an idea where our group pits.  We're normally pit in the middle row near the timing tower and the tech shed.

[Dutch110]

Speedballer - Sorry man, that should not have happened. Once you had signed up with us in Advance your status should have stayed Advance. We've started carrying laptops with WIFI cards to the tracks so we can avoind those type of situations. If you rode A with us in the past all we have to do now is pull up your information and verify and away you go.

[Speedballer347]

Speedballer - Sorry man, that should not have happened. Once you had signed up with us in Advance your status should have stayed Advance. We've started carrying laptops with WIFI cards to the tracks so we can avoind those type of situations. If you rode A with us in the past all we have to do now is pull up your information and verify and away you go.

Man....was no big deal at all(!!!)  Long gap between 2001 to 2006, impossible to expect any business to remember that gap.  And again, who cares....I had fun in the morning passing people, no fun late morning, then had a blast in the afternoon.
I'll be back

[r6_philly]

Must ... resist.... must not... comment.... must not.... AH HELL!

One thing that's confused me this year..... how does a Trackday organization host races for part of it's day, yet during the other half of the day tell it's members that "it's just a trackday" and discourage race-like behavior (stuffing, close passes, rubbing, etc)? Seems contradictory to me. Though from the accounts that I've heard it's working for you all pretty well. Cudos to ya.

This just goes back to everyone having different taste in what they want from their trackday org. Some people like what TPM offers, others like what Nesba offers, or STT or Cornerspeed, or JoeBlow's Trackday.

NO ONE said "it is just a trackday" where did you get that from? those half day racedays are called "GP Moto Premier Racing Event".

And how do you keep bad stuff happen? through rules and enforcement. You tell them the rules and you enforce it. If the people running the trackdays are doing their jobs then they will behave.

It has worked out for TPM, for me. Come to my riders meeting. Listen to how I cover the racing portion. Take my race school here what is the FIRST THING I tell my students.

Educate them right and they will do the right thing, and have the rules and enforcement to back it up.

That's why I try not to advocate any org. if you do the job, it will be fun and safe no matter who is running the day.

I want to repeat again. If the participants don't do what you want them to do (no rubbing, kicking, stuffing, inside pass etc) then you have LOST YOUR CONTROL on the day. Then it is time to reorganize, rethink how you run the day and try again!

When there are a lot of inside passes, you dont continue to run the day. you stop and have a meeting and warn everyone that if they get caught they sit out a session. You do something about it. You don't just let it go.

remember who is running the day and who is riding the day. I can't believe you just asked me that? if you can't get your riders to do what you want them to do you may as well quit running trackdays because you are not doing your job. I do mine very well, I believe, and the days run very well :)

[251am]

Whats up, I have done Team Promotion track days, Conerspeed, and do some CCS stuff every now and then.  On of my boys was talking about joining Nesba.  Is it worth it? How do they stack up to the other east coast track day organizations (especially the ones metioned in the beginning)?  A quick answer is all I need to know if I am NOT going to waste my money.

Thanks Paul

CCS #127

  Do you race? What do you mean by "doing CCS stuff."?

My limited experience with NESBA and other orgs. her in the MW is what I've made of it. It was the NESBA Tech. guy that pointed out all the loose hardware on my bike at Road Am., as it was fresh out of a tuner's shop where they butchered my bike. Turn 1 at Rd Am is 100mph+; Every piece of fastening hardware on the front end was finger started except for the axle bolt. Owner of said tuner shop told me EXPLICITLY..." Don't f#*k with any of the goddamned settings! Too many morons start fiddling with all the adjusters before they get used to their new suspensions. Leave it the f*&k alone!" So I did. I just did not believe a $2200 suspension makeover would come with a bag of loose bolts!! My screw up. Anyway....

  NESBA Tech. guy, the day you guys did at Rd Am. before CCS opener, I owe you a case of whatever you want!! T1 @ 100 mph or any other high speed corner there could have put me in hospital or the ground. He saved my stupid ass!!  Any trackday org. is probably started by one or two people who have a passion for the track. What you make of it is the key!   

[steelcityracer]

I kind of remember that exchange being a little different. You called him a dick prior to him telling you that you could just sit until after lunch. Maybe he was being too IYF about showing up late. I remember that day and we did seem to have a ton of people rolling in after the riders meeting while most of the guys were trying to get suited up and go out for the first A session. And I think I even apologized to you at the track if he was. And you were a little more animated about the whole deal at the track than you are being here. Personally I just chalked it up to poor communication at the time. I was the one who teched your bike BTW.

I had no reason to call him that until he told me that I would not ride until after lunch.  People that know me know that I do not just go spouting off for no reason, and in fact that is the only time that I have ever called someone a bad name at the track.  I definatly was somewhat animated at the track, because I thought he was being very unreasonable.  It is hard to replicate that level of animation on the bbs, and time has passed anyway, so I really dont have a reason to be that animated about it any more.  I will say, that was the only negative experience that I had with nesba, and I have had fun riding with you guys.  That was just an isolated incident with one person with a bit of a chip on his shoulder.  I agree with all who have said that I mainly pick which trackdays I go to based on my schedule.  I do prefer TPM days, but have and will ride with many organisations including NESBA.

[Bubba]

All big track day organizations have the same possibilty of running into a bad apple due to the amount of people needed to run a day. However, there is no excuse for poor customer service on the clerical end and that`s where NESBA suffers. Man, whoever is supposed to be on the other end of that phone number/email address sucks! If you have an issue signing up or a question regarding a license purchase etc etc you can forget getting ahold of anyone and if you do the question won`t be answered or you`ll get mocked! This has happened too many times to too many people for the cases to be isolated. Garth is a great guy though. He seems to know these issues exist and does a good job of smoothing over when you get there!
STT`s Bonnie and Monte are second to none in the customer service dept!!!

[Dutch110]

I had no reason to call him that until he told me that I would not ride until after lunch.  People that know me know that I do not just go spouting off for no reason, and in fact that is the only time that I have ever called someone a bad name at the track.  I definatly was somewhat animated at the track, because I thought he was being very unreasonable.  It is hard to replicate that level of animation on the bbs, and time has passed anyway, so I really dont have a reason to be that animated about it any more.  I will say, that was the only negative experience that I had with nesba, and I have had fun riding with you guys.  That was just an isolated incident with one person with a bit of a chip on his shoulder.  I agree with all who have said that I mainly pick which trackdays I go to based on my schedule.  I do prefer TPM days, but have and will ride with many organisations including NESBA.

No worries dude. These things happen. Hopefully we'll see you back out there again.

[Jason Crisamore]

Mr. Steelcityracer,
  I am the guy you are slamming. Let me recount the conversation between us and you may tell me EXACTLY what is the truth. You asked if I would tech your bike WHILE  the beginner riders meeting was being given.I participate in the Beginner riders meeting as I am an assistant director. I said " I will not tech your bike now and because you are late this will means you will miss THE FIRST SESSION." I did not say after lunch and I did not say that I would not do it. After you called me a DICK you just lost any frequent flyer miles that you may have earned! I found it rude on your part to come under the canope while a director was giving instruction on how the day was going to proceed and expect me to give you VIP treatment. Im sorry I come off as a prick but I believe in being on time and following rules. I am not mad about this exchange and welcome you back to any event. Let's just ride wheather you are a trackday rider or someone using NESBA for race practice.   Jason Crisamore NESBA Mid-Atlantic Assistant Director

[r6_philly]

Mr. Steelcityracer,
  I am the guy you are slamming. Let me recount the conversation between us and you may tell me EXACTLY what is the truth. You asked if I would tech your bike WHILE  the beginner riders meeting was being given.I participate in the Beginner riders meeting as I am an assistant director. I said " I will not tech your bike now and because you are late this will means you will miss THE FIRST SESSION." I did not say after lunch and I did not say that I would not do it. After you called me a DICK you just lost any frequent flyer miles that you may have earned! I found it rude on your part to come under the canope while a director was giving instruction on how the day was going to proceed and expect me to give you VIP treatment. Im sorry I come off as a prick but I believe in being on time and following rules. I am not mad about this exchange and welcome you back to any event. Let's just ride wheather you are a trackday rider or someone using NESBA for race practice.   Jason Crisamore NESBA Mid-Atlantic Assistant Director

I believe that when a customer paid $165 to buy tracktime he or she shall receive $165 worth of tracktime and the lack a dedicated tech person should not be the reason why someone should miss their sessions.

Yes trackday starts at 8 sharp. But it is not a race, it is not a job, you should be able to show up any good ole time you wish as long as you don't 1. ask for a discount 2. disrupt other customers.

You work for NESBA. Your #1 role IS and SHOULD BE to serve your customers. So if you have to miss your tracktime, or don't go to bathroom right away, or put down your coffee (whatever the case is) you should go and tech your customers bike so he or she can get on the track. Who are you to punish your customer for showing up late. THEY are paying YOU.

The only exceptions are:

1. rider meeting is going on, then yes they should not disrupt, but you were not giving the riders meeting, what do you mean "participate"? I hardly can believe he got in the meeting, drag you to the side and say "tech my bike". And why didn't you mention the riders meeting to him? But it is only the beginners meeting, and you were not conducting it anyway right?
2. you have another job to do, in which case you shouldn't be at tech doing tech anyway, tell someone else to do it. But don't tell customer you have to wait. find someone to do it. Tell him to find someone else to tech. Your answer dictated that you are doing tech, however you are not willing to do it right then.

This whole thing wouldn't have happened if you have someone manning tech all morning (dedicated) and who isn't unwilling to work.

[Jason Crisamore]

First off, I am a volunteer. Second our riders manual informs members that if they are late they MAY miss their first session. At 8:00am we make an announcement that tech and registration are closed and to please attend the riders meeting. While the riders meeting is being given I speak to the riders at the end, so if a rider walks up to me under the canope infront of all of the other riders and asks if I can tech his bike, my reply is "after the riders meeting". This guy called me a DICK! By the way, he has since said he was sorry for calling me a dick and Im not mad at him any longer. We did tech his bike and he did ride. I chimed in because he dug up this year old incident to to make a negative statement about our entire organization. Again, we are all volunteers and we can be human too. When I get up early and need to insure that we do a good job of getting everyone on the track on time, it can be stressful. We need to be structured and organized so the day flows well. I hope this clears up your concerns. Jason

[OmniGLH]

NESBA can be a great org.  I've seen it help a lot of slower guys get out on the track and learn.  Garth is a pretty cool guy... but I can't say the same for their entire staff.  Lots of egoes running around the CR pits.  It really seems like the slower the CR, the bigger the ego.  Garth and Matt have always been cool to me and both of those guys ride really well.  They probably don't have anything to prove unlike some of the others.

Regarding the tech story above:  I have a similar one.  Few years ago, Road America "racer practice day" (LOL) before the CCS weekend.  Matt Drucker delivered my bike for me to the track because he just freshened up my motor for me.  Unfortunately, a lot of bolts were misplaced between my bike and my teammate's bike (that's a story for another time) so I spent most of the morning sessions putting the bike back together.  Finally got it over to tech after lunch, and the prick sitting at the booth refused to tech me in because "tech is over at 8:00 - where the hell have you been?"  I explained that I was assembling my bike and just got it ready now... and he flat-out refused to tech me in, and told me to "get here on time next time."  He then went into this long rant about how some day I might want to become a racer with CCS Midwest, and when I go out for my first race weekend and I show up to tech late, Larry will tell me the same thing and not tech me in because I was late. 

I laughed, as I was already an expert license holder and was there to practice for that weekend's race.  LOL.  "Someday you might want to become a racer?"  LMAO.  Ok guy.  Get over yourself.  I knew Larry pretty well at that point and it was pretty funny listening to this chump try to name-drop.  I wound up going over to Matt for my tech sticker.  I haven't done a NESBA event since.  I hope they're better here on the west coast.