Ducati 749, 748, and XBRR in Thunderbike Classes

[Gixxerblade]

I think 749's are prettier than BMW's and so BMW's should be excluded. ;)

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Maybe they should make Thunderbike have a rule that states all bikes must be at least 5 yrs old.

[CCS]

The 749 is legal in ASRA, not CCS......in 2007 the XBRR will be removed from CCS Thunderbike until/unless a change is made by Buell to mechanically limit the power output....(150 claimed is a far cry from the 110-115 we test the current XB9/XB12)

[EX_#76]

The 749 is legal in ASRA, not CCS......in 2007 the XBRR will be removed from CCS Thunderbike until/unless a change is made by Buell to mechanically limit the power output....(150 claimed is a far cry from the 110-115 we test the current XB9/XB12)

Kevin,
   Is there somewhere this information is posted?  The information form the rulebook linked to the CCS website is pasted below. It states that 749 is excluded in CCS and ASRA.  Is this not the latest version of the rule book?


CCS
6.5 THUNDERBIKE - Thunderbike machines, except single cylinder machines, are based
upon production models, sold by manufacturers and their dealers in North America for
street use. Proof of compliance rests with the competitor entering the motorcycle. Single
cylinder machines are exempt from production and street use requirements. Single cylinder
2 stroke GP road race machines are not allowed in this class. All machines must have
unaltered VIN numbers.
NOTE: Ducati 749 Series machines are excluded from this class.
6.5.1 Production machines not sold by manufacturers and their dealers for street use in
North America via normal commercial channels may be approved on an individual
basis. CCS will maintain a list of non-standard approved models and that
list will be available at each event from the Race Director/Referee.
A. CCS reserves the right to re-factor machines at any time. CCS will notify
current licensees 30 days prior to any change. Changes will take effect 30 days
from the original date of notification.
6.5.2. All machines must meet the equipment standards of Section 5, as well as the
following:




ASRA CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES CLASSES – ASRA Series machines are classified for
competition in the following classes: SPORTBIKE, SUPERBIKE, THUNDERBIKE, AND
TEAM CHALLENGE.

6.11 THUNDERBIKE - Thunderbike machines, except single cylinder machines, are based
upon production models, sold by manufacturers and their dealers in North America for
street use. Proof of compliance rests with the competitor entering the motorcycle. Single
cylinder machines are exempt from production and street use requirements. Single cylinder
2 stroke GP road race machines are not allowed in this class. All machines must have
unaltered VIN numbers.
NOTE: Ducati 749 Series machines are excluded from this class.

[Ducati23]

Kevin & Guy,

The 749 series should be allowed in CCS Thunderbike just as the 748 is.  It is no longer being produced by Ducati for 2007. The 749  isn't any faster than the Buell XB12 machines. The 749 has no other class to race where it is competitive. 

XBRR's are a joke, they should not be legal in Thunderbike. It's as close to a HD powered GP bike as it can get.


Clayton
#23Ex GP

[EX_#76]

Kevin & Guy,

The 749 series should be allowed in CCS Thunderbike just as the 748 is.  It is no longer being produced by Ducati for 2007. The 749  isn't any faster than the Buell XB12 machines. The 749 has no other class to race where it is competitive. 

XBRR's are a joke, they should not be legal in Thunderbike. It's as close to a HD powered GP bike as it can get.


Clayton
#23Ex GP

I think the 749 should be allowed in CCS and ASRA thunder bike.  The XBRR should not.  Here is the ASRA opening sentence from the rule book:

6.11 THUNDERBIKE - Thunderbike machines, except single cylinder machines, are based
upon production models, sold by manufacturers and their dealers in North America for
street use.

The XBRR is a purpose built race bike, It says so on it's own frame.

[tshort]

interesting thread.  Gotta laugh, tho - bunch a people whining about a Harley being too FAST.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

XBRR's are a joke, they should not be legal in Thunderbike. It's as close to a HD powered GP bike as it can get.

Kevin already said in another post the XBRR wont be in thunderbike next year. And really how many do you think you'll ever see in privateer hands anyways?

BTW I think Thunderbike should go back to Heavyweight Sportsman rules that Thunderbike was created from. Would eliminate anything newer than 6yrs old then.

[moto dino]

at roc there was an xb12rr entered in asra t-bike ridden by an amateur i believe. brief conversations coming off dyno he said he got it restricted down to legal hp. i personally don't think this is the answer to try and win this class. i believe that danny & myself have proven that a finely preparred and tuned xb12r can do the job just fine. after all in ccs t-bike he did beat mertens & parriot. should a 749 be legal? not sure, matt carr did just fine on his 748 last year.

[Ducati23]

Kevin has decided that the 749 can't race Thunderbike at least that's what the latest news letter indicates. So 749 guys are screwed again for another year.  I suppose the 1098 won't be legal in supertwins either...  The way things are going for non harley twin riders pretty soon this will be WERA not CCS.  Not everyone wants to ride a 600 or 1000 I4. 

[Super Dave]

Two stroke rule, Tom.

[Ducati23]

  No two smokes anymore...

I just wish Kevin would allow the Ducati 749's to run in classes where they'd be competitive. There is no way a <legal> 749 can run middleweight and have any chance against the current 600's.  Consessions are made for the Harleys, why not the Ducati's?  ::)

Even the AMA is allowing the 749 to be over bored to 850cc in an effert to allow it to run with the 600's in the FX class.  Ducati isn't making the 749 anymore and Ducati announced the 2008 replacement will be the new 848, based on the 1098.   

tOm