Should CCS grid by points?

[jryer]

Problems occur when a rider has two or more bikes.  There's no way to effectively regulate a time on one bike being different than a riders other bike. 

This just isn't true. Two bikes, two transponders. Pretty simple!

[Super Dave]

Is it?  That could potentially increase the inventory needed for events dramatically to cover multiple bike racers, replace those broken or lost in crashes...and that transponders can be incorrectly placed on a bike.

As for practice.  Practice is the best opportunity to test one's set up.  If you do 1:20's during practice, is it really safe to try and go so much faster without knowing what your bike will do?  In traffic?  In a turn three wide? 

[Super Dave]

WERA will have the scoring system RUNNING DURING PRACTICE and WILL PRINT LAP TIMES to allow riders to verify their transponder is working. WERA will have transponders for sale as well as for rent. Rental fees will be $60 for the event, any transponder not returned to WERA at the event will result in a $100 fine

There it is folks in black and white. And yes I WOULD be willing to pay $60 per weekend to make this happen.

Well, you have to have a transmitter to race, period.  And CCS, at least where we are, does print out the lap times. 

What do you do when your transmitter dies?  What do you do when the whole system goes down?  Manual timing on a full compliment of bikes would be hard during practice unless you had that kind of system and manpower available.

[jryer]

Well, you have to have a transmitter to race, period.  And CCS, at least where we are, does print out the lap times. 

What do you do when your transmitter dies?  What do you do when the whole system goes down?  Manual timing on a full compliment of bikes would be hard during practice unless you had that kind of system and manpower available.

Yeah I know and what if the sky falls? We can always come up with reasons and
excuses for NOT changing. For sure no one can say it's NOT being done, because IT IS being done
and WERA is proof of that. In a nut shell, WE CAN do it if we really want to. If it's decided NO then ok, but just don't say it's not possible, too dangerous or million other excuses that really are already proven invalid by WERA.

[Super Dave]

LOL!

Well, the sky hasn't fallen.  But the ideas I have given have happened. 

It's really up to Kevin Elliott and the amount of work that would be required, and who would have to be there to do it.


Does WERA grid its club races by practice times?

[jryer]

Is it?  That could potentially increase the inventory needed for events dramatically to cover multiple bike racers, replace those broken or lost in crashes...and that transponders can be incorrectly placed on a bike.

As for practice.  Practice is the best opportunity to test one's set up.  If you do 1:20's during practice, is it really safe to try and go so much faster without knowing what your bike will do?  In traffic?  In a turn three wide? 

Listen I know we aren't WERA, but obviously they have already addressed those issues and we could do the same. In fact the same chapter in their rule book covers almost all of what you mentioned.

"... go so much faster without knowing what your bike will do?  In traffic?  In a turn three wide?"
what's up with the extreme scenarios? go fast little by little until the bike lets you know the true limit. pick a less traffic-ed part of a track before you start your runs.

[jryer]

LOL!

Well, the sky hasn't fallen.  But the ideas I have given have happened. 

It's really up to Kevin Elliott and the amount of work that would be required, and who would have to be there to do it.


Does WERA grid its club races by practice times?

I don't believe WERA is gridding all its races by practice times and we don't have to neither.

[Super Dave]

Exactly.  They don't.  And there's a reason for that.  For club racing, it's really impracticle, in my opinion.  And is it necessary?  It's club racing.  Maybe for a club national championship like ASRA or WERA National Challenge, I think it's necessary for making some of that club racing part of a bigger show...and, obviously, the AMA needs timed everything because it is the "big show", and the times are used.  Example is Mid-Ohio where Supersport was gridded by Friday practice times...the only time the Supersport bikes were on track before the Sunday race.

We'll see what is done by CCS if anything.  I didn't submit a rule.  I don't know if anyone did. 

[Mongo]

WERA won't grid by practice times - first and foremost because it's practice, not qualifying.  Secondly, the way we have to run practice to get everyone the most time possible we cannot separate the classes out, so we wouldn't be able to tell if a guy is running slicks on a time for a Superstock grid, or if he's on a 1000 putting down times for his 750 class entries.  It would take too much time and manpower to do it properly and it's not feasible for club racing.  Unless of course you all want the orgs to nuke 3/4 of our classes and charge a lot more to pay the bills.  Then we could do it.

[spyderchick]

WERA won't grid by practice times - first and foremost because it's practice, not qualifying.  Secondly, the way we have to run practice to get everyone the most time possible we cannot separate the classes out, so we wouldn't be able to tell if a guy is running slicks on a time for a Superstock grid, or if he's on a 1000 putting down times for his 750 class entries.  It would take too much time and manpower to do it properly and it's not feasible for club racing.  Unless of course you all want the orgs to nuke 3/4 of our classes and charge a lot more to pay the bills.  Then we could do it.

Stop talking sense. 

[weggieman]

Ever since the orgs decide there had to be a class for every freakin two wheeled conveyance in existence club racing has been screwed up in my little humble opinion.

It has screwed up gridding, practice, race laps, etc. etc. etc. because it limits the time to do things right.

Go ahead and flame away.

[Super Dave]

No, I won't.  You and I remember a day of heat races at club events to determine final grid positions. 

Was that before the population explosion of lawyers?