Should CCS grid by points?

[Protein Filled]

I think it should be a raffle! They pull the numbers out of a hat and grid accordingly! 

No system will satisfy everyone. The ringers will bitch that it's dangerous to be in the back when gridded by points, the regulars will bitch that they should be rewarded for being regulars, the people who register early will say they should be gridded up front due to their early commitment, etc.

[badmonkey]

Whatever you do if anything will just piss some people off. JUst leave it alone.

[funsizeracing]

Lets do it like they used to where you have to start off the bike, race to it then get it started.

[badmonkey]

I'm up  for the lemans start who else is in? All you guys whinning aboout nate will have an edge now LOL.. Can you see him trying to push start that beast..

[Protein Filled]

Specially with a shaft drive! That should be a decent equalizer!

I'm up  for the lemans start who else is in? All you guys whinning aboout nate will have an edge now LOL.. Can you see him trying to push start that beast..

[dylanfan53]

Interesting that only 14% like the current system....

[badmonkey]

You have to take in consideration how many people actually access site and this thread.

[Super Dave]

Do you?

It's a poll.  Not a scientific one.

Here's the bottom line...

Motorcycle road racing is expensive.  I've done this for twenty seasons, and the money that I have put through tire vendors, time away from home, travel gas, and so on is substantial.

Racing organizations rely on racers for revenue. 

Racing is competitive.

Racing organizations maintain their operations through racers continually entering races.  So, the racers that race in an attempt to get points are the best investment for the organizations.  Making them the show piece for the event by allowing them to be gridded based on the riders' points is a reasonable reward.

Safety?  Road race starts suck, period.  Want safer starts?  Drag racing might be an alternative.  There always be a miriad of starting abilities on the grid.  Can't be controlled for.

[badmonkey]

your right, racing orgs make there money by having racers enter races. But they also chase away racers with some of the choices they make. I've been racing 6 seasons now and see no purpose in chasing championships. I just race for fun, I dont care where you grid me I will get up front no matter what. If you can't handle the chaos of a start then as SD has stated try drag racing.

[Super Dave]

your right, racing orgs make there money by having racers enter races. But they also chase away racers with some of the choices they make. I've been racing 6 seasons now and see no purpose in chasing championships.

Agreed.  There is no huge reward.  The previous points system was rewarding to those who could show up for all the races vs those that couldn't hit all the races but finished well.  Now, well, finishing well is at a higher premium.  That's not something that drives riders away.

Formula 40 opened up an avenue for new "older" racers.  Additionally, with the racer demographic becoming older, it made sense.

I can't say I recognize a whole number of things that organizations have done that chase racers away.  Costs?  Yeah, those have increased, and if anything chases anyone away, that might be it, but organizations can't control the immediate costs of liability and medial insurance and the cost of renting race tracks and getting individuals to execute tasks.  Additionally, those staff members that are necessary need to be billeted and fed.  Those costs have gone up too.

[PJ]

Racing organizations maintain their operations through racers continually entering races.  So, the racers that race in an attempt to get points are the best investment for the organizations.  Making them the show piece for the event by allowing them to be gridded based on the riders' points is a reasonable reward.

+1.

[CCS]

Hello Super Dave,

in response to your comment of fewer races/more purses, are you willing to pay $200 per class to race? Right now, to break even on a typical Blackhawk event, to have just SuperSport and GP Classes, that would be your entry fee to order to offer $1000 purse in every class and pay the overhead for staff, track rent, insurance, trophies...etc. with just those 16 classes. (And that is only if the entry numbers remained the same, any drop and the fee would be higher.)

How many are willing to pay that price? (it would also get you qualifying races on Saturday, finals on Sunday.)