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How/Why? Race expense justification.

Started by lbk, April 17, 2006, 06:47:26 AM

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Court Jester

i have made it a point to make female friends close to all of the tracks.
that's enough to keep me cuming back :)
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Quote from: CATMAN on April 25, 2007, 11:05:36 PM
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HAWK

Quote from: GSXR RACER MIKE on April 24, 2006, 10:46:37 PM
I think this is yet another arguement as to why there shouldn't be Amateur contingency, all contingency should be moved to the Experts for deeper payouts into the field to help racers last longer in the sport. Amateur status is a stepping stone, not a destination, reward those who advance and stay in the sport, not those that just stop by to visit. :)

Expert is a stepping stone, CCS is a feeder organization for ASRA is a feeder organization for AMA....... Who decided that CCS Experts are entitled and CCS Amateurs are not? Why is it OK to take away the Amateurs contingency but it's bad for the AMA riders to come and take away the Experts contingency? Last year was my first season with CCS and I raced ULWSB, a class that never had enough riders on the grid to generate contingency.  I was just dumb enough to think that I was having fun anyway, I wish I had that luxury this year. (if you  know me then you  know what that means)
Paul Onley
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Court Jester

Quote from: Hawk on April 26, 2007, 12:22:58 AM
Expert is a stepping stone, CCS is a feeder organization for ASRA is a feeder organization for AMA....... Who decided that CCS Experts are entitled and CCS Amateurs are not? Why is it OK to take away the Amateurs contingency but it's bad for the AMA riders to come and take away the Experts contingency? Last year was my first season with CCS and I raced ULWSB, a class that never had enough riders on the grid to generate contingency.  I was just dumb enough to think that I was having fun anyway, I wish I had that luxury this year. (if you  know me then you  know what that means)

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tshort

Hey all...interesting discussion, so I thought I'd weigh in.  First - let me say this:

I'm baaack!  :thumb:  The need for racing just got to be too much, and after almost 3 years of retirement, I picked up a (mostly) race-prepped 05 SVS on Saturday, then faxed my AFM license app in, along with my filled out race entry form (with my AFM number space blank) for the races at Infineon (aka Sears Point) this weekend, got my AFM number via email on Sunday, then bought a trailer off of Craigslist from a guy in East Bay on Tuesday (I think it was Tuesday), and with any luck will be picking up a new helmet today or tomorrow (old one is pretty rashed). Oh, and I cleaned my leathers (thanks Alexa, for the instructions).

So why did I do this?  Because racing just makes sense to me - I don't know why it makes sense, but it does.  And in terms of what I do that I feel like I do well, there is almost nothing (including work) that I feel like I do as well - so it's good to do something that you feel like you do well.  And that may be the biggest motivation for me.  And for everything else- yes, there is mastercard.

Tom
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chaplain220

I dont think the measure of a man will ever be defined by the number of days we worked, but by how others watched us live.  I'm no candidate for any horizon awards, but when I come home from a track weekend, I feel like Nicky cruisin around with a flag.  I've watched wealthy, powerful men with hugh homes throw themselves off the Bay Bridge, or drink and drug emselves to death.  They never learned what it means to live.  Roadracers are like the blue collar backbone of our nations fabric, one part hero, two parts stupid, we know how to be grateful for what we got, and endure through tough times and still crack a smile, that is what we leave our kids, the ability to face tough challenges and succeed.  Even this thread is because of a man's concern for his family, finances and future, See ya at Summit.  Art 

catman

Great stuff,Art.  ?(S)  If so, see ya on the lightweight line @ summit next weekend with a few recent upgrades!John

xb9racer

How did this turn into a pay out argument?
I have to agree that the "Expert" class is no more important than the "Amateur" class
We all have to start somewhere and trying to make the Amateur class riders feel like second class citizens is B.S.
All our money spends the same and we incur no less expense than a lot of Expert riders.
If you want to make more money, go get a better job. Don't try to hoard what little pay out there already is.

Bigsexy

Rob

Super Dave

Quote from: Hawk on April 26, 2007, 12:22:58 AM
Expert is a stepping stone, CCS is a feeder organization for ASRA is a feeder organization for AMA....... Who decided that CCS Experts are entitled and CCS Amateurs are not? Why is it OK to take away the Amateurs contingency but it's bad for the AMA riders to come and take away the Experts contingency?

Well, I don't see why it's bad for "AMA riders" to take away "expert contingency".  It's there and available.  One just has to use one's skills to get it.  After all, once you're and expert, you can get the points to apply for an AMA license.  So, AMA Pro racers are just experts.  No one is entitled to the contingency, etc.

Amateur contingency. 

Now, for most of club road racing history, amateurs and novices were riders that were working to try and become experts.  That was the real feeder.  The learning happens as an amateur/novice.  Motorcycling wasn't as popular fifteen and twenty years ago, but grids were big.  Yeah, it was expensive then too. 

I do feel that amateur contingency has hopelessly corrupted the amateur/expert system as there are those that move from organization to organization as amateurs, and those riders that only do a small number of races a year to maintain their status even though they are extremely skilled and  competent riders and fully understand the sport and how to go quick even. 
Super Dave

HAWK

Quote from: Super Dave on April 28, 2007, 12:42:43 AM
Well, I don't see why it's bad for "AMA riders" to take away "expert contingency".  It's there and available.  One just has to use one's skills to get it.  After all, once you're and expert, you can get the points to apply for an AMA license.  So, AMA Pro racers are just experts.  No one is entitled to the contingency, etc.

I didn't say it was bad for the AMA guys to come and earn contingency in CCS Expert,  I just find it odd that the people that are saying that Amateurs should not get contingency are saying that it is bad for the AMA guys to come and steal their contingency. Kind of a having your cake and eating it too syndrome.


Quote from: Super Dave on April 28, 2007, 12:42:43 AM
Amateur contingency. 

Now, for most of club road racing history, amateurs and novices were riders that were working to try and become experts.  That was the real feeder.  The learning happens as an amateur/novice.  Motorcycling wasn't as popular fifteen and twenty years ago, but grids were big.  Yeah, it was expensive then too. 

So this would mean that once you are moved from CCS Amateur to Expert you are ready for the AMA grids? No, as you stated you need to earn a certain point requirement to apply for an AMA license. Therefore, CCS Expert is a learning ground to get the experience one needs to move on to the AMA, theoretically.

Quote from: Super Dave on April 28, 2007, 12:42:43 AM
I do feel that amateur contingency has hopelessly corrupted the amateur/expert system as there are those that move from organization to organization as amateurs, and those riders that only do a small number of races a year to maintain their status even though they are extremely skilled and  competent riders and fully understand the sport and how to go quick even. 

Properly policing the cherry picking in the Amateur ranks is one thing, completely separate however from contingency. How about the AMA guys that have to come race club level to earn contingency petition to have contingency eliminated from club level so that that money can be paid in the AMA ranks. My bet is that such a plan would be met by howls of protest from the Experts.

I might add that this is from someone who has never earned a dime of contingency in any rank and who could care less about contingency. I have one half of a season of racing with ANY organization and am forced by injuries sustained outside of racing to take a season off before I return to racing. I do this because I enjoy the hell out of it (and in the spirit of the thread that is my justification). I just can't stand people who have to take away from others so that they can have more, whether it be corporate greed, government pork, or expert contingency.


Paul Onley
CCS Midwest EX #413

xb9racer

I say give all the payout to the Expert Class. And charge them double  the entry fee to race as well. That would make it fair, no?