MW @ Putnam

[r1owner]

No they dont and I understand what you said above but I still feel it is much safer then BHF. No?  I guess it isn't the main issue anyways but I wish whatever that issue is that they could get it resolved so we could race there. ;)

I've not been to Putnam.... what makes you think BHF is that unsafe?  The only turn I can think of at BHF where I wouldn't want to crash is the left hander coming out of the bus stop.

BTW, are the guy that got your license at BHF and raced there for the first time last year?  I think I pitted next to you... blue and white GSXR600...  Sorry, I can't remember your name...

If you read that WERA post, you can get a sense of the issues...  I'm not sure what the difference is between CCS and Putnam, but the owner sure doesn't seem to be too keen on bikes...

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

Diasio can keep his weekends full with Porsches and Vipers and BMW's.  Not too mention he does get quite a few motorcycle trackdays and schools in their.  It's not that it's a motorcycle hate thing, it's more of a difference of opinion when it comes to operational issues and procedures between the owners and orgs.

[r1owner]

Diasio can keep his weekends full with Porsches and Vipers and BMW's.  Not too mention he does get quite a few motorcycle trackdays and schools in their.  It's not that it's a motorcycle hate thing, it's more of a difference of opinion when it comes to operational issues and procedures between the owners and orgs.

Yes, I seem to recall that from the thread now... just got lost in all the other stuff going on in it! :)

Seems like minor stuff to prevent them from racing there, but then again, I'm not running a track or a race org, so I don't know what all's involved in those aspects of it.

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

Usually only small things like rider safety...**insert sarcasm here** ;D

[zx10ragentorange]

I've not been to Putnam.... what makes you think BHF is that unsafe?  The only turn I can think of at BHF where I wouldn't want to crash is the left hander coming out of the bus stop.

BTW, are the guy that got your license at BHF and raced there for the first time last year?  I think I pitted next to you... blue and white GSXR600...  Sorry, I can't remember your name...

If you read that WERA post, you can get a sense of the issues...  I'm not sure what the difference is between CCS and Putnam, but the owner sure doesn't seem to be too keen on bikes...

Yes that was me. J.J. is my name. The reason I said putnam was safer IMHO was because there is only one area where running off the track is not a good idea where as BHF has many areas including trees, tire walls and guard rails. Not that it would ever stop me from racing there but I just wish that the owner of Putnam Park would consider racing there and it would take very little to make putnam 100% safe IMHO. ;)

[Super Dave]

No they dont and I understand what you said above but I still feel it is much safer then BHF. No?  I guess it isn't the main issue anyways but I wish whatever that issue is that they could get it resolved so we could race there. ;)

Where an organization races is about a lot of things.  Blackhawk Farms has supported motorcycle road racing when other tracks only tolerate it.

We are asked for our input on Blackhawk Farms.  If there is a place where we're welcomed, Blackhawk is one.  

Hey, Road America will rent us the track in April?????

Unless you're in a desert, there will always be unique features of the terrain and plant life that exist at any track.  And, even then, what kind of off road traction does one have in a desert?

Back to "safety" and "reality".  If you've raced Daytona, you'd recognize that the place is just "less safe" because of the ability for a rider to blast themself into a wall.  A wall, or guard rail, offers more certainty for stopping very quickly than a tire wall.  A tire wall does actually offer some amount of slowing compared to hitting something bare.  Hay bales work too.  Yes, air fence is better.  Which is available in the last corner at Putnam?

Back to Daytona...

Daytona does not have a record for posting more injuries than other tracks even though there is just a plain recognition for an additional element of danger.  

Putnam.  I think if they would commit to motorcycle racing, things might change.  They haven't lately.  So, the Diasio family decides otherwise, things will remain as they are.  

[Jeff]

I went headfirst into the tire wall on T4 at BHF at probably 50-60 mph when I fell.  Shave off a few MPH while sliding across the pavement, maybe 30-40 when I hit the wall.

Deni Debuhr said I was still in the air when I hit the wall.  It was hard enough that I thought I actually hit the bike.  

If a SOFT tire wall feels that hard, I have no desire to find out what a tree or guardrail feel like...