2006 R6 ?'s

[Scotty Ryan]

Sorry, we last dyno'd Thursday night before we left for the Indy dealer show.....Micron system with PowerCommander got us to 118.3HP  on a 4th gear pull on pump gas.......I think the Graves got us 115 and change so it was about a 3HP gain...Not bad.....Anyone need a Graves system????

Just got the forks and shock back from Thermos Man, we stuck the forks on and are mounting the shock tomorrow along with some quick shifter(not sure on the brand).  

Can't wait to shake the bike down - heading to Barber for the Nesba day on the 4th of next month...I'll try to keep the updates coming.....

Oh yeah we also had one of our buddies CNC us some brackets to eliminate the stock kickstand mount so that we can just bold the shift lever to the new bracket until we get a set of rearsets(we can use them as backups also). They are just the unfinished pieces but we have the detail finishing work to do so they look nice and lose some weight..

[PaulV]

Wow,

That rocks Scotty!
Where did you get your Micron?
Haven't seen the full systems around yet.

Keep the posts comin'

Paul
Polar-Optics

[Scotty Ryan]

Dyno charts:
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Hope you enjoy

Paul the Micron system we have is one of two in the country, we are doing the Dyno testing for Micron US and the other is with Micron at the Dealer shows.... Funny thing is the Power Commander that we got was so new that it didn't come in a box or even have any stickers or lettering on it....

[PaulV]

Wow Scotty,

w/micron and PC 100hp from 11,2 up and 110hp from 12,2 up........ :o

[clarkie]

how much hp are you going to lose when they change the scale from STD back to SAE  ;D

[Scotty Ryan]

how much hp are you going to lose when they change the scale from STD back to SAE  ;D

I know what you mean - but I am not so concerned with the peak HP number as I am with the power curve.... We use the Dyno more as a tool to tailor the power delivery, instead of using as a gauge to measure a peak HP number. It is irrelevant weather you measure in STD/SAE etc, as long as you have a point of reference to adjust from...A lot of dyno guys will try to sell you on the STD reading so they can get you all excited and hopefully rake in the cash.....
Here is the thing that I am excited about - the fact that my 2004 GSXR 600 that I was racing last season,  bone stock was 96.?HP - and at it's best made 114.?HP - on the same dyno in darn near the same weather conditions...Now that was after a butt load of money and countless hours of working and tuning. This Yamaha was at 109.?HP stock and 118.? with an exhaust and fuel adjustment(on pump fuel)....And from what it looks like we have quite a bit of room to work with yet..... So irregardless of the correction factor we are still making a good amount of power over my last steed......

[clarkie]

yeah just giving you shit  ;D

it amazes me how caught up people get in a number, different bikes, different dynos, different days etc all make a huge difference but like you said having a power curve you can use is the main thing  8)

[Scotty Ryan]

Just got back from Barber on the new bike.....I like -I like - I like....Very tight and compact, Nimble yet stable. At first the bike wanted to turn in too quick and kept trying to run up the inside of the curbiing, So we took one of our two ride height spacers(2.5mm) out of the rear so that we were 2.5mm up from stock(the shock is so short that Ohlins didn't have room to put and adjuster on the unit itself.

This cured our problem for the time being, But cresting the top of the hills on the power where it flattens out while banked over was upsetting the front end - making the front slightly push and shake. So we ended up taking two turns of rebound out of the forks so they would stay in contact with the pavement better. It worked but didn't eliminate the problem so we took out two more, the bike started pushing toward the outside of turns - so we put the two turns back in and left it at that(much better then earlier)....

We were trying to find a happy medium with the rear so that we had good feel but at the same time didn't spin the tire too much. At the beginning of the weekend the bike was spinning the tire quite a bit so we took some spring out of the rear and also some compression so the bike would squat and hook up more - which it did, Then I had to worry about the wheelies the bike was pulling....

Under braking the bike is rock stable. The brakes aren't quite as powerful on inital bite as the Zuk I'm used to but more controlable - which I feel is a good trade off.... "Slipper ckutch I love you", I had never ridden with a slipper before and I was worried that I would have a freewheeling effect entering corners...Complete opposite, the clutch allowed me to bang the downshifts as quick as I could and not have any rear wheel hop. Just a slight squirm/wag from side to side and that was it. The slipper allowed me to wait longer the normal to downshift which in turn allowed my to drive into the corners harder and longer....... Also, I didn't have to worry about trying to feed the clutch on corner entrance to set the bike(unless I was banked over while catching a downshift)....

[extrakt0r]

Nice...Scotty, are you running stock MC and Lines? I am sure you have installed SS Lines, but wondering if you are running a Upgrade Brembo MC?

It appears the stock MC on the 06 R6 is the same as my R1, and I did not care for it on my R1 and replaced it with a 19x18 Brembo, also on the new R6...Braking was much better on the R1 with the new MC...

What tires were you running? And what about your Fork Tubes, did you have them flush with the Triple? I know Stock, mine were raised 3mm from the factory...

Mike

Just got back from Barber on the new bike.....I like -I like - I like....Very tight and compact, Nimble yet stable. At first the bike wanted to turn in too quick and kept trying to run up the inside of the curbiing, So we took one of our two ride height spacers(2.5mm) out of the rear so that we were 2.5mm up from stock(the shock is so short that Ohlins didn't have room to put and adjuster on the unit itself.

This cured our problem for the time being, But cresting the top of the hills on the power where it flattens out while banked over was upsetting the front end - making the front slightly push and shake. So we ended up taking two turns of rebound out of the forks so they would stay in contact with the pavement better. It worked but didn't eliminate the problem so we took out two more, the bike started pushing toward the outside of turns - so we put the two turns back in and left it at that(much better then earlier)....

We were trying to find a happy medium with the rear so that we had good feel but at the same time didn't spin the tire too much. At the beginning of the weekend the bike was spinning the tire quite a bit so we took some spring out of the rear and also some compression so the bike would squat and hook up more - which it did, Then I had to worry about the wheelies the bike was pulling....

Under braking the bike is rock stable. The brakes aren't quite as powerful on inital bite as the Zuk I'm used to but more controlable - which I feel is a good trade off.... "Slipper ckutch I love you", I had never ridden with a slipper before and I was worried that I would have a freewheeling effect entering corners...Complete opposite, the clutch allowed me to bang the downshifts as quick as I could and not have any rear wheel hop. Just a slight squirm/wag from side to side and that was it. The slipper allowed me to wait longer the normal to downshift which in turn allowed my to drive into the corners harder and longer....... Also, I didn't have to worry about trying to feed the clutch on corner entrance to set the bike(unless I was banked over while catching a downshift)....

[Scotty Ryan]

In the motor department, this thing is a monster....I ate 600's down the straight and could even reel in bigger bikes if I drafted or had a better drive off of turns.. It likes to wheelie and it pulls hard. Also, ear plugs are a must - @ 10K it sounds like it's at 16K - I wouldn't be able to stand the noise if the exhaust without them....

We tried two different fuels and two different Injection control systems - "motocard" and  "Power Commander PC3", along with VP U4 and RTech. The VP worked well, pulling harder out of the corners and up the hills then the 93 BP pump fuel - but the RTech pulled so much harder that we had to take two teeth off the rear sprocket because we were running into the rev limiter before the end of the straights.... We started the weekend off with the Motocard, which was adjusted for the Graves system(we were using the Micron system on the bike at the track).

The bike ran great with this setup but at maintenance throttle the Motocard acted more like an on/off switch instead of a rheostat....Making it hard to operate the throttle in small openings....With the PC3 making .8HP more on the dyno and almost the same power curve there was not much difference in the power between the two units. Although the PC3 allowed me to operate the throttle with more confidence at more lean angle and while descending a downhill corner.I think we are going to be using the Motocard because it has an accelerator pump feature, where the Power Commander doesn't. Plus we think that we can adjust the card to make ore power and a better curve if we tune it to the Micron system....

The Fly-by-Wire throttle worked flawlessly, I thought it was going to be harder to modulate the throttle because it was a stiffer pull then what I'm used to. It ended up working out better then I thought, the stiffer pull made it less likley to accidentally whack the throttle while leaned over in a maintenance throttle situation(harder to highside), or while hitting choppy pavement.....Also, I didn't notice the difference in the pull being harder to use or making my arm more tired....

Overall - the bike is great in my opinion, the bike is a very good racing package, the motor is more then I had last year, the bike is very neutral with it's set up and it has all the little goddies that make a bike appealing to a large group of people. Sure I would like to have my motor done so that I am on a closer playing field with the other guys that are having their motor's done(they know who they are). But I think that if you can compete with the faster bikes on a slower bike then it just means that you were riding better then they were...

There is still more we need to do: Paint, Rearsets,Quick shifter,Liquorice despensor,Dyno with race fuel.

Till then I'm out

[mdr14]

http://www.powercommander.com/accelpump.shtml

USB Power Commander Accelerator Pump Utility
Dynojet is pleased to announce a new "Accelerator Pump" feature for all USB Power Commanders
This is a FREE upgrade that can be installed into any USB Power Commander

[clarkie]

using the accelerator pump feature usually isnt a good idea on a race bike (all it does is use a lot of fuel), but if you know what you are doing you can set the powercommander up to make the bike feel like butter when it comes back on the gas from a closed throttle.

600's are easy to do, big v-twins suck out of the box but they can be fixed with a little time