Triumph 675 in LW classes!!!!????

[Super Dave]

Assuming that Triumph hasn't inflated their hp number by 25% (I'll take that bet) there is no question that the Triumph will eventually get reclassified as a MW. The real issue here is why did it ever end up in LW in the first place?

Totally agreed.  

Even if it's an F2 copy, we're talking a 90+ HP supersport bike.  And it will weight less than an F2.  And it will have extra displacement.  And better brakes.  And bigger wheels.

We'll see...

[oldguy]

Honestly, most aftermarket companies will not even bother with making special parts for the 675.  The market just isn't there.  If something that fits another make bolts on, the companies will provide coverage, if they even know it bolts up.  Racers need to be able to easily and inexpensively get replacement levers, pedals, etc. With Triumphs right now, the only option is ordering from a dealer.

    

That's why I will be making parts for the 675 as soon as I get one to measure. Being a small manufacturer (and a racer) I can handle what will probably be a small market in the US. I'm going to sell thru Augusta Triumph/Ducati.

[Super Dave]

"You mean my '91 FZR600 has as much power as an R6? Not even close. My FZR has more like 75 HP. If the Daytona is allowed then I will ask for the same on the FZR and there is no contigency for the FZR.

Did you have that dynoed?

If that's what you've got...you might have problems.  600 Katana's had around 78 to 82 RWHP.  FZR's had enough that they were pretty much capable of keeping up very very well with GSXR750's in 1989.  My GSXR750 had 114RWHP.  No the FZR didn't make that much HP, but they were very capable of keeping up and passing F2's in a drag race on a road course, but they had 18" rear wheels.

Regardless, the T-675 in Lightweight just really appears ridiculous.

[dylanfan53]

IMO,
This is a classic "lose, lose" situation.  Those who run SV's aren't going to tolerate a MW bike out there.  Those who invest in one will most likely be screwed and upset when/if they get bumped to MW.
It's silly in the first place.

I'm not going to run the gaunlet of pi$$ed off fellow racers by racing one so I won't buy it.  But someone will undoubtedly step in this pile of poo.

This needs to be nipped in the bud now, before people lose money.

[ecumike]

Kevin... is the 675 gonna weight less and have more power than your bike?

[danch]

Honestly, most aftermarket companies will not even bother with making special parts for the 675.  The market just isn't there.  If something that fits another make bolts on, the companies will provide coverage, if they even know it bolts up.  Racers need to be able to easily and inexpensively get replacement levers, pedals, etc. With Triumphs right now, the only option is ordering from a dealer.

The brake levers made for your SV will fit on my 955. Levers are more dependent on the brake master cylinder than on the bike manufacturer.

Other than that, though, you're absolutely right - there'll only be a few aftermarket companies that support these bikes, and the parts will be expensive. I've been discouraging people from thinking of this as a race bike since before the specs were published. Yeah, it looks more raceable than I'd thought it would, but Triumph isn't going to support racers, and it's going to take second (or third, or fourth...) priority from the aftermarket.

Still, I've ordered one for track days (because I'm a triple loving freak!) and there are a few people who will take the 'tilt-at-windmills' challenge and race them. They really shouldn't do this planning on it being a lightweight. Even if it's not all that Bike magazine has hyped, it's not a lightweight.

[danch]

That's why I will be making parts for the 675 as soon as I get one to measure. Being a small manufacturer (and a racer) I can handle what will probably be a small market in the US. I'm going to sell thru Augusta Triumph/Ducati.

Good to hear.

[Jack_Brock]

IMHO, it would not be smart for CCS to proceed with the classification of the Triumph as a lightweight bike.  Currently, they don't stand to lose any Triumph 675 riders because there aren't any.  However, there are a number of SV650 guys which may just migrate to other series.  WERA, CMRA, and I believe the others have classified it as a MW bike, and that has caused some friction, so I got to say WTF on putting it in LW.

I was hoping for a good GP region this year, but this concerns me.  I think it could affect participation.  Anyway, I just don't see any angle it makes sense from.  I ride an SV, and my race plan was to do the GP series, but I'm on the fence now.  Any comment from CCS would be appreciated.

[Super Dave]

Kevin... is the 675 gonna weight less and have more power than your bike?

Redirect...

SV's weighed less than EX500's and Honda Hawks, and more consistent power, etc...

But if any reasonable possibiity of a 675 three cylinder with FI, four valves per cylinder, etc. is realized, it's a "middleweight bike" through and through.

[Jack_Brock]

Anybody else notice the Triumph 675 ads at the top of the page? >:(

Is this really what is driving this! >:(

 >:( >:( >:( >:(

[danch]

Anybody else notice the Triumph 675 ads at the top of the page? >:(

Is this really what is driving this! >:(

 >:( >:( >:( >:(

Isn't this an 'unofficial' board, no connection to CCS itself? If so, there couldn't be much influence there. Triumph has banner ads all over for this thing. The one here did surprise me because it's my understanding that Triumph is not supporting racers at all - not even to the extent of getting them specs or pattern bodywork ahead of time.

[danch]

Here's another thought - CCS has the 955 in middleweight, rather than the heavyweight or liter class you'd expect.

Has anyone really tried to race a 2002 or later 955 in middleweight? Year matters a lot here, because that's the year the engine got overhauled for top end.

Not that this makes any difference to the discussion at hand, but it is an example of where a triumph has been oddly categorized before without apparent ill effect to any racer.