Triumph 675 in LW classes!!!!????

[H-man]

I see this bike being lighter and more powerful than an old CBR600F2, and those aren't eligible for lightweight.

Oh contraire, mon frere.   The F2s are legal in F40LW.  But that's the only LW class we're eligible  :( :'(

[H-man]

So you should/could still be out there in the F40LW grid Oldguy  ;)

[H-man]

Say OG... hey... I kinda like that.  Sorta gangsta soundin'.

Anyway, where was I?   OG, what classes (and what region) do you run in WERA?  I'll be V7MW myself.

[oldguy]

Last year I was so busy I only got to do a couple Fasttrax races at Nelson Ledges. This year the wife is coming along so I need to do some more stuff. I have been riding **** N/C division because I live in NW PA and the schedule is better for me. I am going to get to BHF this year to kick K3's @$$. He is the one that spent many e-mails convincing me to race so it's only fair. Plus he owes me $20 and I'm coming to get it.  ;D

OG,.............. I like that.
I may put OG racing on my trailer ;D

[H-man]

Yeah, OG - original gangsta  8)

Well then, I may run into you quite a bit then this coming year.  The NC schedule (Nelson, Grattan & BeaveRun) does suit me much better than the 2 CCS trips to G-man.

I'm painfully slow, but a steady & predictable rider (ask Dylanfan, Bernie and some others who've blown by me in a race ca :-[).  I'm thinking of venturing on down to Nelson to do the mini endurance races w/ Fasttrax a couple times.

I'll have to look for you next time.

[PaulV]

 :)Hey Tommy,

You would look Maaaavaalous on that new T-Biscuit! :)

go see Joe at Southeast Sales, 76 st just south of Good Hope rd.
Tell him I sent ya.

Paul
Polar-Optics

[oldguy]

Yeah, OG - original gangsta  8)

Well then, I may run into you quite a bit then this coming year.  The NC schedule (Nelson, Grattan & BeaveRun) does suit me much better than the 2 CCS trips to G-man.

I'm painfully slow, but a steady & predictable rider (ask Dylanfan, Bernie and some others who've blown by me in a race ca :-[).  I'm thinking of venturing on down to Nelson to do the mini endurance races w/ Fasttrax a couple times.

I'll have to look for you next time.

Fill out the rest of your profile. I can't tell where you are from, LOL

[stk0308]

It also says in the brochure that many of the parts are from Japanese bikes?

What's the point your trying to make here?  Because there are Japanese components on it, it's placed correctly in the rules structure?  ???

[oldguy]

Naw, just rambling thoughts. I'm trying to figure out what aftermarket parts will fit. For instance the rearsets look like R1, but I can't be sure. The delivery schedule doesn't leave much time to get it in race trim, and that comment in the brochure threw me for a minute. Is the shock Japanese or Triumph from the 650? So many questions, so few answers.

[johnny scheff]

   I don't think the origin of the components is really an issue here.  It seems to me that the fact that this bike makes 50 more horsepower and is comparable in weight to the SV is what got my attention.  Dave compared the triumph to an F2 in his post.  It seems to me that you don't need to go back that far.  The power that this bike is making is similar to modern inline four 600's.  It seems to me that if you let the Triumph ride in LW classes I should be able to ride my '03 Honda 600RR as well.  I am suprised that we haven't heard a peep out of the SV racers on this.  Don't get me wrong, I am not upset about this.  I am curious.  I dont see any other classes that have a 70% HP spread between bone stock bikes.  I am very interested in how and why the decision was made to let these bikes race with us.  An air cooled Duc makes sense to me.  They have more power,  but they also have more weight.  An ac Duc is a great addition to the LW grids in my opinion.  I just think that Triumph is an excellent fit in the MW classes,  and I would like to know the reasoning behind it being a LW bike.   Later - Johnny

[ecumike]

....  I dont see any other classes that have a 70% HP spread between bone stock bikes...

Actually more than 70%.  The 125s only have 40hp. It's kinda ridiculous.  It was bad enough with Kern running his BMW in the LW classes last year.  Anyone have an idea of the HP & weight of those/his bike?

God, I hope this triumph is not like that.. it's ridiculous.

[eeky]

I think when more SV riders hear about this there will be al lot more activity on this issue.

I have been corresponding with Mr. Elliot on the Triumph question. I was hoping for an official posting from Kevin to address CCS justification for putting a 123 hp motorcycle into LW. Since it hasn't happened below is the response I got from CCS.

"Triumph has bragged about machines before that never lived up to their on paper potential. We reserve the right to remove any motorcycle from
any class with proper notice, which is thirty days according to our policy.

We will make sure before jumping to any conclusions."

I believe a conclusion has already been jumped to and I think it's the wrong one.

I just returned from Motorcycle Performance here in Madison. I had conversation with Fred the Dynojet operator who has literally thousands of pulls and years of experience with dynos. I asked him if in his experience Triumphs have been guilty of excessive optimism as far as their hp numbers are concerned.  Fred replied that every manufacturer is optimistic but Triumph no more so than anyone else. He explained that manufactures measure crankshaft hp and most dynos measure rear wheel hp. Expect 8 to 10% drop in driveline loss. I then asked if a Triumph spec'ed at 123 bhp would make over 100 rear wheel SAE hp.

"Absolutely" was his reply.

Assuming that Triumph hasn't inflated their hp number by 25% (I'll take that bet) there is no question that the Triumph will eventually get reclassified as a MW. The real issue here is why did it ever end up in LW in the first place?

If CCS persists with this classification there are going to be very pissed off people. The people who purchase these 675's with the intention of running LW are going to be livid when they get bumped up. If I were going to buy a new MW it wouldn't be the 675.

The current installed base of SV riders are going to be pissed when these bikes dominate.

Here's my prediction. Virtually nobody will by one to run LW because of the inevitable bump into MW. This classification will stay on the books until someone brings one out less than 30 days before Daytona.

Just a couple of months ago I got stomped at Dayotna in LWSS by Art Diaz riding a 120 bhp XB9R superbike. Mr. Diaz overlooked one small item in the rulebook and was only an air cleaner away from winning. I have never seen a bigger speed differential in any SS class before in my life. That rule has now been changed, full superbike alu framed Buels are no longer legal in the class.

Seams like deja vu however as 120 bhp Triumphs are legal.

Ed Key