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Young Gun Program, Rider Wanted

Started by LoneWolfRacing, November 07, 2005, 05:43:16 PM

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LoneWolfRacing

Wow, lots of opinions and input here since the other day! Let me address Stone first, his feeling of my project is age discriminating. First it is a program trying to help a racer with potential who does not have the funds to get a bike race ready, have all the spares you need if you don't want to be going home early after a morning practice crash, have a set of rims dedicated just for full wets in case the rain comes...then also pay for entry fees, travel costs, trailer..etc. .
It is giving a racer the oppurtunity to ride as an amateur at the national level and his costs, setup and the other time consuming parts of preperation are reduced by him not having to invest a great deal of money in a bike with all the above mentioned trimmings.
My ultimate goal is to have this rider be able to take the next step, getting picked up by a bigger team in the future. A 41 year old no matter how good he is at a regional or even national level is not going to get interest from AMA teams, unless his name is Tray Batey or Michael Barnes and others who have already been at that level and can fill in for a team in a pinch. Stone, I congratulate you on your success in 2005. But you as your self said, have the money to equip yourself for racing, so why would you want to race one of my bikes?
The rider I choose is probably someone who has raced an SV or older generation 600, that now contemplates upgrading to a more modern 600, but that will break the bank for him/her and has little money leftover to compete at 9 or 10 national weekends.
I mean how many of you know of a racer who is good, but is held back by all the expenses and you end up seeing him/her maybe at 3 or 4 events (regional) in a season?
What I am doing is saving a racer about $7,000 that he/she can put into race entry fees, tires and travel expenses. And what do I want out of it?
Seeing a racer progress and be successful at a national level and get noticed by bigger and more established teams. I would like to be a self sufficent farm team for AMA or upper echelon WERA Natl. / FUSA teams. Obviuosly, I cannot guarentee it will work but I want to give it an honest try. Of course I will concentrate also on my endurance team to continue to improve my own riding and provide a place my teammates can get a great deal of track time under race conditions and we can strive for success as a team and indiviually.   ;D

LoneWolfRacing

Stone.. also a word of advice, before you think about stepping into the deep end of the pool, by doing some AMA events at a track you feel you are competitive at, don't waste your money. I understand the desire to race at an AMA event. But with the money you will spend for 1 AMA event you can go to 3 WERA/FUSA Nationals. Also you might want to see how you match up at WERA National against the likes of the Vesrah riders, Ben Thompson, Blake Young, Matt Lynn, David Weber, Ben Walters, Josh Herrin, Larry Denning... and there are more. Or you can come out and play in the endurance races and have the most of the same guys plus John Haner, Reuben Frankenfield, Robert Jensen (with the occassional guest ride) and there are more .....
Please don't take what I am saying as a slam, just take a look back at 2004 RRW articles and see what kind of money Jeremy Toye spent racing that R1 and doing quite well, but still coming out $3,000 in the whole every weekend.  :o... Yes some of his costs are attributed to the far travel he has from Cali, but it is a lot of money to spend. For that kind of money you can race endurance and sprints and have spent less and been more competitive.\

Stone

QuoteStone.. also a word of advice, before you think about stepping into the deep end of the pool, by doing some AMA events at a track you feel you are competitive at, don't waste your money. I understand the desire to race at an AMA event. But with the money you will spend for 1 AMA event you can go to 3 WERA/FUSA Nationals. Also you might want to see how you match up at WERA National against the likes of the Vesrah riders, Ben Thompson, Blake Young, Matt Lynn, David Weber, Ben Walters, Josh Herrin, Larry Denning... and there are more. Or you can come out and play in the endurance races and have the most of the same guys plus John Haner, Reuben Frankenfield, Robert Jensen (with the occassional guest ride) and there are more .....
Please don't take what I am saying as a slam, just take a look back at 2004 RRW articles and see what kind of money Jeremy Toye spent racing that R1 and doing quite well, but still coming out $3,000 in the whole every weekend.  :o... Yes some of his costs are attributed to the far travel he has from Cali, but it is a lot of money to spend. For that kind of money you can race endurance and sprints and have spent less and been more competitive.\

With the above mention...ya took the words out of my mouth.

I have been racing the SW region of CCS. Next year I will be focusing on CCS-SW, select WERA and select AFM. From what I understand the competition is pretty stiff in those other regions. It would be a good lesson for me to run with the fast guys and pick up the pace. The ulitimate goal for next year as an expert will be to place somewhere on the podium at the ROC. Reality tells me that its going to be a tough road to plow...but thats ok. I'm having the time of my life and getting faster by leaps and bounds.

AMA...Its one of my goals. I dont think for a minuate that I will ever have a chance at a factory team...ever. I just want to be on the starting grid of an AMA grid before my racing career will be over. Not to much to ask and not to far of a reach...err...at least I think so.

I understand your deal...but...I still think that sponsors should not overlook the 30 to 40's crowd. For some reason...it just makes cent$.


Super Dave

QuoteI understand your deal...but...I still think that sponsors should not overlook the 30 to 40's crowd. For some reason...it just makes cent$.
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Who's being over looked?

Woody Deatherage is still fast and competitive at the AMA events.

Miquel is still younger than me and does ok.

PF Chili has done ok.

I was at ROC when a young guy named Edwards did well in 1991.

Rich Shaw still comes out an plays.

John Long races occasionally.  Springsteen, Nixon.

I don't have a plan real soon to stop, but maybe you don't know me either.  

Super Dave

Stone

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Who's being over looked?

Woody Deatherage is still fast and competitive at the AMA events.

Miquel is still younger than me and does ok.

PF Chili has done ok.

I was at ROC when a young guy named Edwards did well in 1991.

Rich Shaw still comes out an plays.

John Long races occasionally.  Springsteen, Nixon.

I don't have a plan real soon to stop, but maybe you don't know me either.  


The last part didnt make sense  ;D

Jeff

Stone, I don't know that it's necessarily "sponsors overlooking the 30+ crowd".  It seems more that this particular program and goal overlooks it.

LW's goal is stated to be a farm-team for the factory or satellite teams.  That really focuses on a younger generation/crowd.

Your talent and marketing potential though should be very valuable *IF* positioned correctly to many sponsors.  
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StumpysWife

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But if everyone's program was the same, what would be the purpose of having a program?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Lone Wolf's proposal. It's his funding to do what he wants and obviously he has a vision of what he'd like to see in the future.  

If you can't find a program to suit your needs, do the leg work and create one.

Last time I checked there's no affirmative action in motorcycle racing!!!   ;D

Heather

dylanfan53

This is an interesting read.  As an old guy who just passed his **nd birthday I would just like to say....







Crap.  I forgot what I was going to say....
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Burt Munro

QuoteThis is an interesting read.  As an old guy who just passed his **nd birthday I would just like to say....




Crap.  I forgot what I was going to say....
 :P

Don,

Let me see if I can help you out on that .....

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Super Dave

QuoteB
Last time I checked there's no affirmative action in motorcycle racing!!!   ;D

Heather

 ;D
Super Dave


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Lonewolf, I tried emailing you my resume and I still can't send anything to your email. Is there an mailing address that I can just ship one to? That would be greatley appericated.
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